Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2018/05/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ted, For most of your illustrious career, you obviously just handed over the roll of exposed film to a guy in the newspaper/magazine darkroom, and he did the rest, so I guess that was a perfect KISS. I agree, I would not mind having such a facility to turn to in these digital times, but unfortunately, not having one, I am forced to do my own dirty work! ? My view is that a RAW image is like an unexposed roll of film, which can then be processed a million different ways instead of just one fixed way. Being of a curious bent of mind, and not having to do this for a living, as well as having ample time to spare, I enjoy tinkering around with myriad different approaches when processing an image..That is brilliant and extremely enjoyable. Nothing in the world will let me forego that flexibility and pleasure as far as photography is concerned. By the way, This had to be done twice, when developing and printing, with a pretty much hit or miss method, with really nasty chemicals, even in the old days. There was no element of KISS about it, it was hard difficult work, and any correction was a major PITA! Cheers Jayanand On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Aram via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote: > Hi Ted, and happy Almost Birthday. > > If we all had your talent, Adobe would be out of business. But I will bet > even you did a few things in the darkroom to improve your negatives. Am I > right? But that was a negative where the camera did absolutely nothing. > A > real RAW image. Today's cameras do have to perform a bit of magic just to > get the image from the sensor to the card in a from the computer can read. > And they do make rank novices seem like they actually know something about > photography. > > Aram > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Grant > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:32 PM > To: 'Leica Users Group' > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault > > Hi Nathan, > Absolutely screwing around with all the dickie doo dad computer > possibilities means only one thing? > "THE PHOTOGRAPHER SCREWED UP TO START WHEN HE OR SHE WENT CLICK!" > Most of the time while reading e-mails regarding the crew's photos and > using > the fixer-up things? Hell I don't have a clue what you're talking about. > When I shoot stuff, 99.9%,it's tap "print key" and what comes out first is > what you get! :-) > I mean, doesn't all this new fangled stuff supposed to be automatically > fixing images? > I've always attempted to shoot it right the first time without screwing > around attempting TO FIX a screwed-up photo first taken. > Besides me being 89 yrs. on MAY 27.2018! > I figure I can't be bothered screwing around "fixing?" a fat ass photo > poorly shot the first click? > Have a good day everyone. > Dr. Ted Grant O.C. > ============================== > -----Original Message----- > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On > Behalf > Of > Nathan Wajsman > Sent: May-13-18 11:43 AM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault > > Right on. I do not even have Photoshop anymore. LR is more than enough. If > I > have to spend 1/2 hour manipulating an image in a piece of software to > make > it look decent, then I have screwed up at the time of taking the picture. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator > <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 May 2018, at 20:29, Aram via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> wrote: > > > > > > Seldom and with resentment? I don't think so. I will wager that most > > people who use LR use it as their main tool for photography. I so > rarely > > go > > to PS now. LR is so much easier and does 99.9% of what I want to do. I > > import directly into it, organize, keyword, name my photos there. Do > > almost > > all my processing there, with the exception of blending photos for Depth > > of > > Field, and the rare major editing I need to do as far as removing objects > > that I could not perform while taking the photo or in LR. I do all my > > printing and exporting to share in LR. Photoshop is ALMOST a waste of > > time > > and hard drive space. ALMOST.... > > > > It took a while to get there from PS, but starting with the first > version > > of > > LR, and getting use to the mindset of nondestructive editing, there is no > > resentment in using LR. The only resentment is towards the subscription > > model that Adobe and others have started to use. > > > > Aram > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Rabiner > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 12:41 AM > > To: Leica Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Leica] It's all your fault > > > > The reason why everyone does not switch and join up right off the bat is > > because we're talking about software that a large percentage of people > use > > seldom and with resentment. They'd rather just skip it. > > What's wanted is for photography now to be like in the good old days when > > you clicked it and forgot it. Just remember which drug store you brought > > it > > too. People want a hands off approach to photography. They want it un > > touched by human hands especially their own.. > > It's one thing to buy cheap software but paying for it every month seems > > like one is sending off the wrong message. And the message is "I can't be > > bothered". And they really want everyone who does care to hear it. Often. > > The majority of photo enthusiasts could more accurately be called camera > > enthusiasts who could more accurately be called money enthusiasts. > > You can't really call them camera lovers as cameras just pass though > their > > hands like its nothing. > > Making a commitment to the final result of their images is so far beyond > > the > > point it's not even funny. > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark William Rabiner > > Photographer > > > > ?On 5/12/18, 10:55 PM, "LUG on behalf of Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG" > > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > > lug at leica-users.org> wrote: > > > > I still cannot, for the life of me, understand why everybody does not > > switch, it is that convenient and at a very reasonable cost. Is > cutting > > your nose to spite your face standard practice? > > > > As John Maynard Keynes once replied to a reporter who accused him of > > changing his mind - "If the facts change, sir, I change my mind. Pray > > what > > do you do?" :-) > > > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > > On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Brian Reid > > <reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > wrote: > > > >> Well, I just drank the kool-aid (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > >> Drinking_the_Kool-Aid if you don't know what that means), and then > > bought > >> a year's subscription to Adobe CC. There were too many "last straw" > >> situations and I found I was wasting time trying to find workarounds. > >> > >> I know I can still use my trusty Photoshop CS6 and Dreamweaver CS6 if > >> needed, but InDesign CS6 is generating warning messages from the > > operating > >> system and Camera Raw CS6 fell out of its wheelchair. > >> > >> Thanks for all of the commentary and opinions. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >