[Leica] Need printing paper advice

[mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)]

That also was my thoughts.
People always discuss nude and glamour photography as if it were an 
exclusive women's issue...as if guys did not exist in the in front of camera 
universe..
Walk into an art museum and you'll see all kinds of statues all over the 
place half of then nude and half of them guys.
Guys can be nude too.
The four gal models mentioned on the Ralph Gibson photo class also gave me a 
bad vibe. If they wanted to avoid this often brought up stigma of geeky 
predatory guys surrounding a sexy gal from all angles with cool photo gear 
have one of those gals be a guy. Me I've posed for other photographers and 
have been a model in an art drawing class when I was studying Art. This 
focus now in photography as in all you'd want to shoot is women invites 
scrutiny  because of its odd imbalance. There are other creatures in the 
universe. Elephants. Rhino's. Fish. Guys.
Trees.
 
-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 5/7/18, 12:28 PM, "LUG on behalf of Aram Langhans via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:

    Just to raise a point which may or may not be relevant in this 
    situation....  I do not remember anything specifically said about nudes 
    of women.  What if they are nudes of men?
    
    That said, I agree with you Tina.  Long overdue and drastically needed.  
    This exploitation has gone on long enough, mostly in the shadows before 
    the internet, but now it can be done in the privacy of one's home so 
    shame is not a limiting factor.   While there is indeed a wide berth 
    between true pornography and fine art, there is perhaps a much narrower 
    line that divides the two, and personal opinion will vary considerable 
    in at what someone posts in that gray area.  But as long as the 
    potential viewer knows in advance what is coming, and then views to see 
    what side of the line the poster seems to fall on for them, they can 
    decide whether to view the next post or not.
    
    
    Aram
    
    
    On 5/6/2018 7:23 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
    > Which is what I said.  I'm just giving you the female slant on what I
    > consider to be pornography and not art.
    > I will avert my eyes but I will not appreciate it and I will be 
offended if
    > photos take advantage of young women who hope to become famous because 
they
    > are posing for male photographers with expensive cameras.
    >
    > The "Me, too" movement has been unfortunately trivialized by some but 
it is
    > long overdue.
    >
    > Tina
    >
    > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 10:09 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
    > lug at leica-users.org> wrote:
    >
    >> Richard C,
    >> Well, there have been others who have been driven away by the Moral 
Police
    >> on this forum for posting boudoir photography, including nudes, so it 
all
    >> boils down to how strong you are at ignoring, and refusing to be 
affected
    >> by,  the unfounded and small minded rants of others. I remember one
    >> particularly nasty case a few years ago where all the moral 
sanctimonious
    >> instincts of many members was in full view, and I found it quite
    >> distasteful. My view is, as always, to each his own - after all, all 
of us
    >> have some strange hidden areas in our personalities! If any viewer 
does not
    >> like it, they should learn to avert their eyes.
    >> Cheers
    >> Jayanand
    >>
    >> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 8:52 PM, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Richard, others have posted nudes on the gallery, so bang ahead. If
    >> people
    >>> don't want to be shocked, well then they shouldn't follow the links 
you
    >>> post.
    >>>
    >>> Douglas
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On 04/05/2018 19:15, Richard Clompus via LUG wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I have taken to heart the concept that you need to print your best
    >>>> images.  Storing them on a hard drive makes it difficult to really 
enjoy
    >>>> them or to give them to others as gifts.  So my current project is 
to
    >> print
    >>>> a portfolio of black & white nude images taken during a Leica Master
    >> Class
    >>>> with Ralph Gibson in San Francisco. I learned a lot from him in 3 
days.
    >> I?m
    >>>> very pleased with the images but have no clue how to exhibit them.  
I?ve
    >>>> hesitated to post nudes to our gallery but would be willing to 
share a
    >> few
    >>>> if there is interest.  They are reminiscent of timeless nudes from
    >> Imogen
    >>>> Cunningham and Edward Weston.
    >>>>
    >>>> I?m printing with an Epson P800 printer and started with Epson 
Velvet
    >>>> Fine Art Paper (8.5 x 11?).  Its a mat paper, 100% rag content, acid
    >> free,
    >>>> 19 mil thickness, 260 gm weight with a slightly textured surface.  
I?m
    >>>> ready to treat myself with better paper but don?t have any 
experience
    >> with
    >>>> rag paper from Moab, Canson, Hahnem?hle or Museo.  These fine art 
papers
    >>>> get expensive very quickly so I?ve decided to use 8.5 x 11 for now.
    >>>>
    >>>> Can someone share their experience with the rag paper of their 
choice?
    >>>>
    >>>> Many thanks,
    >>>> Richard
    >>>>
    >>>> Richard Clompus
    >>>> California
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