[Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation

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Subject: [Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:15:08 -0500
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I?ve used a Noctilux extensively and for a year exclusively but the Leica Summilux-SL 50mm f/1.4 ASPH weights twice as much and appears to be twice as long.
It appears to be a telephoto zoom.!
I wonder how I?d take to it. I think having taken the time in years to save 5 grand I?d have pre conditioned myself for whatever it may bring.

 
 

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Mark William Rabiner
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On 1/16/18, 10:46 AM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe" <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> wrote:

    Sharp where needed and sweet bokeh
    
    Beautiful composition
    
    Wonderful kids!
    
    Worth the bucks indeed
    
    Amities
    Philippe a full time zoom and AF shooter these days ;-)
    
    
    
    > Le 16 janv. 2018 ? 16:24, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> a ?crit :
    > 
    > The 50/1.4 is not too shabby either!
    > 
    > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/165790907/large
    > 
    > View Original if you want to see it HUGE!
    > 
    > I used it for a lot of the portraits of the Syrian kids.
    > 
    > I have always preferred prime lenses but I am using the 24-90 a lot more
    > often these days!  I tend to take out the 50/1.4 when I am in a relaxed
    > setting and can sit down and concentrate on only taking photos, not
    > walking, talking and taking photos at the same time!
    > 
    > Tina
    > 
    > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:18 AM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
    > wrote:
    > 
    >> Nice real-world examples, Jeff.  The 24-90 seems to be the pick of the
    >> litter.
    >> 
    >> Jim Nichols
    >> Tullahoma, TN USA
    >> 
    >> 
    >> On 1/16/2018 1:11 AM, Jeff Moore wrote:
    >> 
    >>> I like the SL enough that for two years running I've rented an SL and
    >>> at least one of its official lenses to cover the annual WFMU
    >>> Fundraising Marathon.
    >>> 
    >>> It's pretty heavy (the body is really an exceptionally dense block of
    >>> metal) and the lenses are just not anything like compact...  but I had
    >>> a really high hit rate, an unusually high percentage of technically
    >>> good photos (so my edit time included less technical culling and more
    >>> just choosing favorites) shooting with the SL and those lenses.
    >>> 
    >>> For 2016 the SL lens I rented was the 24-90 zoom:
    >>> 
    >>>     https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbm0/albums/72157665752167155
    >>> 
    >>> In 2017, I rented the SL 50mm Summilux:
    >>> 
    >>>     https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbm0/albums/72157677882464254
    >>> 
    >>> (There'll also be M240 pictures and SL pictures with other lenses
    >>> mixed in there, but the named lenses were used for the bulk of each
    >>> year and the EXIF data will tell you which).
    >>> 
    >>> My observations:
    >>> 
    >>>     I really like the SL as a picture-taking machine, but I can't at
    >>> this time justify buying it or carrying it around every day.  I expect
    >>> to continue to rent one for high-picture-volume events.
    >>> 
    >>>     I'm not in general a fan of zooms, and I have prejudice against
    >>> variable-maximum-aperture zooms;  but I came to like the 24-90/2.8-4 a
    >>> lot.  It's definitely the lens I got the highest proportion of keepers
    >>> with.
    >>> 
    >>>     I like the look of the pictures with the 50/1.4, but I definitely
    >>> had more technically-imperfect pictures shooting with it than with the
    >>> 24-90.  And it's nearly as big and heavy!
    >>> 
    >>> -Jeff
    >>> 
    >>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>>> Hi Don,
    >>>> I tried the SL with my M lenses and the Leica SL-M adapter. I had a very
    >>>> hard time getting quick focus with that. Emphasis on quick. I used
    >>>> various
    >>>> methods: having the SL save a jpeg BW file which put the viewfinder in BW
    >>>> mode, different colors to highlight in focus areas(focus peaking I think
    >>>> it's called), view enlargement, etc. No love. Just couldn't do it as fast
    >>>> as a rangefinder for critical focus (on eyes) at low apertures. And the
    >>>> autofocus, though it worked marvelously was difficult for accurate wide
    >>>> open focusing on moving subjects (dog, grands, even others who simply may
    >>>> have moved their heads).
    >>>> 
    >>>> I do think the SL is a fantastic travel kit. Putting that 90-280 on your
    >>>> belt in a lens case and resting the SL with the 24-90 on it would be a
    >>>> fantastic travel kit! But alas I don't travel that much to warrant the
    >>>> system. I find the M much more to my liking (even with an old Nocti glued
    >>>> to it). Very simple and the M glass seems particularly well mated to the
    >>>> sensor. I did not feel that way about M glass on the SL. Something was
    >>>> very
    >>>> different IMO.
    >>>> 
    >>>> But I'm no pro like Tina, so this is just my personal impression.
    >>>> Best,
    >>>> Bob
    >>>> 
    >>>> 
    >>>> Bob Adler
    >>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
    >>>> *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"*
    >>>> 
    >>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>> 
    >>>> They are using stepping motors so more alike the focusing Sony uses on
    >>>>> their G series or like Zeiss used on their autofocus camera that moved
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> focal plane.  Quicker, quiet, and extremely precise as they stop
    >>>>> immediately for all practical purposes.  If you go back to the
    >>>>> Lensrental
    >>>>> blogs you can see how single focal length glass is better with lower
    >>>>> individual unit deviation, so I am glad that the major optical houses
    >>>>> are
    >>>>> offering really good single focal length glass.
    >>>>> 
    >>>>> Really, with the M adapters you have your choice; small light and M
    >>>>> glass,
    >>>>> or autofocus and a much larger lens of "equal" optical quality.  Other
    >>>>> than
    >>>>> price who is against choice.
    >>>>> 
    >>>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
    >>>>> wrote:
    >>>>> 
    >>>>> Marketing gibberish
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> Translation:  We did not try to make it smaller, we tried to make it
    >>>>>> better,
    >>>>>> therefore the size didn't matter.
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> The rack and pinion type of focusing that the picture shows is atypical
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> 
    >>>>>> AF lenses... most use rotary motors.
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> Frank Filippone
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
    >>>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On
    >>>>>> Behalf
    >>>>>> Of Robert Adler
    >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:15 AM
    >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
    >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> But it says all this was done to, "to preserve the compact dimensions
    >>>>>> of
    >>>>>> the
    >>>>>> lenses"...
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> Bob Adler
    >>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
    >>>>>> *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"*
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:58 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
    >>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> We have been talking about how fat the SL lenses are in comparison to
    >>>>>>> M lenses..
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> Leica just announced the 75 and 90mm SL lenses.  In the intro
    >>>>>>> information is a picture of what the lens looks like INSIDE..
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> It will explain a lot about the diameter issues..
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> Please have a look..
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/SL-
    >>>>>>> Lenses/Prime-Lenses/APO-S
    >>>>>>> ummicron-SL-75
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> Frank Filippone
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
    >>>>>>> 
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    >>>>>> 
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    >>>>>> 
    >>>>>> 
    >>>>> 
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Don
    >>>>> don.dory at gmail.com
    >>>>> 
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    > 
    > 
    > 
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In reply to: Message from jbmmllug at jbm.org (Jeff Moore) ([Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation)
Message from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation)
Message from tmanley at gmail.com (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation)
Message from photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com (Philippe) ([Leica] Big SL Lens ( DIameter) explanation)