Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2018/01/04

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Don, Frank

Maybe it would be of your interest a test I?ve made in 2014 comparing on my Monochrom the Noctilux f1 wide open against the Summilux V2 (Ref. 11114), in my opinion except in the DOF the rendering is very close.

With Leica Monochrom, Noctilux 3, wide open
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/lluisripoll/14339139459/in/album-72157648957616801/>

With Leica Monochrom, Summilux 50 V2, wide open
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/lluisripoll/14525732505/in/album-72157648957616801/>

As Don says it would be better see the images, what I?ve saw in the net it is coincident with what Frank says, in my opinion it is normal that a lens show some smoothnes  at such apertures but the difference I?ve saw with a Noctilux is that this one give a better definition on the focus area and this give us a better separation and certain 3D effect. Concerning the Bokeh, in my opinion the one of the Noctilux and even the old Summilux are better, the 7 Artisans lens is like the Sonnetar a optical construction like the Sonnar. I?ve never test the Summarit I think it has a nice Bokeh too. 

Saludos cordiales
Lluis



> El 4 gen 2018, a les 19:56, Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com> va escriure:
> 
> Hello Frank.  Without images the mind creates its own images.  From what
> you describe you could get similar results with the Canon 1.2 or the
> Jupitor 3.  Not quite as fast but the Summarit at 1.5 will also get you to
> the soft/sharp place.  An interesting outlier is the Konica 57 1.2 with
> interesting bokeh as well.
> 
> If you enjoy the hunt having many overlapping lenses gives you the artist
> more brushes to paint with.
> 
> All the best.
> 
> On Jan 4, 2018 1:44 PM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> I bought one of these from Amazon last year ($369).  Only over Christmas
>> did
>> I get to really try it out..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I own a Noctilux, 3rd version. Not the new F0.95 version, but the 1.0
>> version.  I thought that maybe I could buy this cheapie, and sell off the
>> Nocti..   Put several thousand dollars back into the coffers...
>> 
>> I also own a 50mm F1.4 Summilux ASPH, the sharpest lens I have ever run
>> across.
>> 
>> My Monochrom is back from its stay in Allendale.. So it was the right time
>> to try the lens on the Monochrom body and run it against the Summilux.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The focus seems right on.  There is the possibility to adjust the RF cam,
>> but I did not have to do the adjustment, everything worked just fine.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I shot wide open. why else buy this lens?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is a creamy edge to all of the images taken, from F1.1 to about F2.8
>> After that, the creaminess disappears.  It is a pleasant effect.  Soft
>> renditions of an earlier time and place.  But if you think this is in the
>> less well focused areas, you are wrong.  It is creamy all over.  Focused
>> areas or not...  May will love this for portraiture.  Maybe for some
>> landscapes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But it you LOVE sharpness, and pursue tit with lenses like the 50 ASPH Lux,
>> this lens is so different it takes some time to comprehend.  I am not there
>> yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Do I like what I shot?  Depends, as a shot of my Son worked out real well.
>> But a shot of my future DIL was way more interesting ( technically?) but it
>> showed every pore on her face...   The shot of her with the 7 artisans, was
>> much smoother.  Of course, it also means there was nothing sharp.  So I
>> like
>> everything smooth or everything sharp?
>> 
>> Not so sure yet..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Next thing to try out is the 7 Artisans against my Nocti.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe this week...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> BTW, the Techart Leica M to Sony A7II (and other) AF adapter worked real
>> well..   That was a real win.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Frank Filippone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Red735i at verizon.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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In reply to: Message from red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] 7 Artisans 50mm F1.1 Lens)
Message from don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory) ([Leica] 7 Artisans 50mm F1.1 Lens)