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Subject: [Leica] The "problem" with the M9
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 09:49:07 -0800
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> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:42 AM, lluisripollphotography <lluisripollphotography 
> at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for all your comments, I agree with Gerry too and I have to add 
> that after that I have the Monochrom, when I take the M9 it is generally 
> because I want to do color, I remember when I?ve saw this Lady smoking 
> with her red jacket this made a nice color composition and as Steve has 
> pointed the cigarette was a important element to consider. But as you 
> know, I can?t resist the B&W and once I have converted it I?ve liked it 
> too, but on this case color would be my choice.


 the color of the burning cigarette is so distinct and lifelike, otherwise 
the dress adds nothing, and is actually counterproductive, ideally I would 
prefer (if I could do it, remove all color except that of the cigarette, 
someone else -if Lluis says it?s ok).

steve



> 
> I will take a look again following the Bob?s comments, thank you Bob!
> 
> I also agree Jayanand, on that day I was visualizing in color but I have 
> converted some pictures because the tinct across the image was awful 
> 
> Cheers
> Lluis
> 
> 
> 
>> El 2 gen 2017, a les 18:08, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> va 
>> escriure:
>> 
>> Thank you Tina, John and Steve.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 17:07, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> +1!
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 12:04 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You know the obvious answer Gerry........ I usually leave the house 
>>>> with a
>>>> Monochrom as well as my M(240) ;-)  I agree with what you say and rarely
>>>> take the same shot with both cameras as each have their strengths.
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> I am sorry to come back on this, but I believe that the photographer
>>>> should make a decision by pre-visualisation of how the final image 
>>>> should
>>>> look. Although this may may be a split-second decision based on 
>>>> intuition
>>>> and experience that decision is important. If you shoot in b&w you shoot
>>>> for the composition of light and dark, highlights and shadows whereas if
>>>> you shoot in colour you shoot for the interplay of the colours of the 
>>>> image
>>>> and the way the balance together. This is a decision that cannot be
>>>> realistically made afterwards as the two images/decisions are 
>>>> different. If
>>>> you make the dcision afterwards it will never be as good as the
>>>> pre-visualisation that should have been done before.
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 13:46, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ever since I switched to digital I have had problems with some images
>>>> deciding whether it is a ?colour? image or a ?mono? image. It was 
>>>> easier in
>>>> my opinion when you carried two cameras, and you made the decision at 
>>>> the
>>>> point of pressing the button, and then you had decided. It was a 
>>>> decision
>>>> made at that moment, in that mood, at (to quote HC-B) the point when the
>>>> heart, the eye and the mind come together. There is no better time to
>>>> decide because never again will those three factors coincide. I am 
>>>> afraid
>>>> that the decision on which of these two images is purely yours to make
>>>> because neither is better or worse than the other.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wish you luck with your decision,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 01:51, lluisripollphotography <
>>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Day I went to shoot ?Giving Smiles? I?ve carried the M9, it poses
>>>> sometimes a problem to decide if color or B&W?.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Evening in La Rambla
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Leica M9, Summilux 75 wide open
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/
>>>> 20161221_L1013236+1.jpg.html>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/
>>>> 20161221_L1013236.jpg.html>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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