Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/10/07

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Subject: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 12:02:28 -0700
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good idea Scott, please do it.


On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Scott Gregory <scottgregory at mac.com> 
wrote:

> Maybe Steve you should put a list together of all Leica owners on this
> list, especially M9 owners and send that list to Leica NJ. With
> instructions that tell them if we don't get cameras returned in a month
> there will be "negative talk" on the Lug!  :)
> Scott
>
> > On Oct 7, 2016, at 11:44 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
> >
> > I suspect that it  is more than an hour or two's work plus there is
> probably quite a backlog.... I regard it as a free CLA and calibration
> since they have to dismantle the whole camera effectively.
> >
> > All my Leica kit is registered on http://en.members-2014.leica-
> camera.com/Members-Area When I first sent an item in France they must
> have looked at what I own (via serial number) as my logon changed from just
> a name to my French email with a different password, not sure if that has
> any effect on priority.
> >
> > john
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >> On Oct 7, 2016, at 7:49 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >> The sensor replacements were about 8 weeks each, the AF motor is  three
> weeks door to door. Not ideal but the sensors hopefully will not need
> replaced again, AF motor in S lenses is still not sorted but is apparently
> high priority in Wetzlar. All these times are direct (UPS labels sent out
> from Leica) from France to Wetzlar with return direct to me rather than via
> French distributor.
> >
> >
> > it is terrific that you and Tina receive such good service. The fact
> that the rest of us do not is beyond intolerable and it is unacceptable.
> One might ask, why 8 weeks for a job that perhaps takes an hour or two?
> Really I don?t get it, except most of the time involved is not work time.
> My first sensor replacement in Germany took months until a friend I spoke
> with requested action, then it took a week. I just sent my M9 to NJ for the
> same job.
> >
> >
> > steve
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 12:09 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Trying to work out where your hold-up is, Solms/Wetzlar have sent my
> kit back within a day or so of completion. In the last 12 months, three
> sensors (M9, original Monochrom and S2-P, plus currently on my third S AF
> failure), all carried out free including shipping?..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> that is the way it should be, how long did it take?  I wonder why the
> enormous difference in the service different people have received. Leica
> needs to look into this and correct it.
> >>
> >>
> >> steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> John.. are you REALLY willing to pull my chain when I am basically
> exploding over this issue?????
> >>>
> >>> Really????????????
> >>>
> >>> Frank Filippone
> >>> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] 
> >>> On
> Behalf Of John McMaster
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 1:58 PM
> >>> To: Leica Users Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or
> SHOULD NOT use Leica......
> >>>
> >>> Leica Wetzlar or NJ? I had my M9 sensor replaced on an eight week
> turnaround door to door....
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.fr at leica-users.org] On
> Behalf Of Frank Filippone
> >>> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2016 8:57 p.m.
> >>> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> >>> Subject: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD
> NOT use Leica......
> >>>
> >>> My M9 is STILL at Leica?.
> >>>
> >>> 2 weeks ago Tuesday I was told it would ship that day.
> >>>
> >>> Waited a week, checked, and they were going to ship it THAT day
> >>>
> >>> Checked yesterday, it will ship that day
> >>>
> >>> Today, it is still at Leica and will ship today??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is like the old joke? Free Beer.. Manana
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Today?s story is that I will get  tracker number this afternoon?..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I made 4 calls today to reach someone.. the previous ?record? was 10
> calls?.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And you wonder why only (who cares if it is an exaggeration?.!) rich
> amateurs can afford Leica???????  Pros can not be bothered with the
> hassle?..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is not a matter of not having a camera to shoot with ( the A7 and
> the MM can do the job)
> >>>
> >>> It is MY camera, and I want it back?..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As an amateur, I am entitled to absolutely NO special service?..  no
> rush, no nada.
> >>>
> >>> The camera was sent to Leica on July 8.  In case you are going to
> calculate, that is 3 months.
> >>>
> >>> It has been sitting on the shelf at Leica, repaired, for at least a
> week, probably 2 weeks?.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The problem was that the glass cover plate over the sensor fell off?
> loose?.  On the 8th day of a 42 day vacation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please. No comments on how you got your Leica back in 4 seconds, all
> fixed, from a basket case of screws nuts and bolts?..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My previous experience was an M6 sent on for repair, and when it got
> back, the body case was so badly bent that a film cassette would not fit?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Are these guys really serious about getting market share?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you NEED to have your camera functional, maybe a Nikon or Canon
> really is a better choice?.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rant off.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Frank Filippone
> >>>
> >>> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>>
> >
> >
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>
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-- 
Steve


In reply to: Message from red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......)
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Message from red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......)
Message from john at mcmaster.fr (John McMaster) ([Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......)
Message from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......)
Message from john at mcmaster.fr (John McMaster) ([Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......)
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