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Subject: [Leica] IMGs: Exploring Urban Colour-Chris
From: gerry.walden at icloud.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:17:12 +0100
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Chris

Thanks for your further comment which I fully understand and thank you for. 
All I am doing is exploring having seen some work I like. I am not saying 
whether it is good or bad, just showing what I am exploring. I do think for 
an urban environment of this type it is valid, but that is just an opinion.

Gerry

> On 2 May 2016, at 10:07, Christopher Crawford <chris at 
> chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> 
> Gerry,
> 
> Why recreate old Kodachrome? you?re shooting digital, not film, and
> Kodachrome is no longer made. Why recreate another artist?s style? You?re
> a good enough photographer that you don?t need to do that.
> 
> Lots of people I know online do over processed work like that to try to
> emulate someone else or materials that are no longer made, and I don?t
> bother commenting. That?s because their work sucks, and it would suck no
> matter what style of work they did.
> 
> I wan?t trying to offend you; on the contrary, I respect your work enough
> to tell you that I don?t like this particular set of images, and why. You
> can take it or leave it; this is your work, not mine, so ultimately its
> your choice how to edit your photos.
> 
> -- 
> Chris Crawford
> Fine Art Photography
> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> 260-437-8990
> 
> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> Become a fan on Facebook
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/2/16, 4:31 AM, "LUG on behalf of Gerry Walden"
> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
> gerry.walden at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> Thank you for your comments which I take on board but I feel I have to
>> defend myself. I am not in any way using this ?gimmicky photoshopping as
>> a crutch? but more in an effort to explore the recreation of the look of
>> the work of people like Saul Leiter and Jay Maisel when they were
>> shooting Kodachrome back in the 50?s and 60?s. Now, I may have failed
>> dismally in the effort but that is where I am trying to get. I accept
>> they are not ?realistic? but then what is? Realism is standing in front
>> of the scene, anything else is going to be a pastiche of reality, and
>> these are about as realistic as a black and white image.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 May 2016, at 09:16, Christopher Crawford
>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did, and I still don?t like them. The technique obscures the subject,
>>> which should not happen with this type of work. This type of gimmicky
>>> photoshopping is a crutch used by mediocre photographers to hide the
>>> fact
>>> that they have nothing to say with their work. Gerry is too good a
>>> photographer to need any kind of crutch, and these photos would be great
>>> if rendered more realistically.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Chris Crawford
>>> Fine Art Photography
>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>> 260-437-8990
>>> 
>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>> 
>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/2/16, 2:45 AM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe"
>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of
>>> photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Chris, view them large, the rendition is better even if the colours
>>>> still
>>>> seem a little bit off
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry, I would have liked to play with the first one to dim the
>>>> (red/orange channel) vibrance and the blue cast but unlike the LUG
>>>> gallery your site doesn't allow downloading ?
>>>> 
>>>> Keep them coming my friend, there's something in there that only wants
>>>> to
>>>> be revealed :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Amities
>>>> Philippe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 2 mai 2016 ? 08:39, Christopher Crawford
>>>> <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> a ?crit :
>>>> 
>>>>> I think they?re too harsh looking, it distracts from the subject; I
>>>>> see
>>>>> the technique first and its hard to see past it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/2/16, 2:02 AM, "LUG on behalf of Gerry Walden"
>>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf 
>>>>> of
>>>>> gwpics at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am exploring urban colour at the moment to try and find my hidden
>>>>>> 'Saul
>>>>>> Leiter? or ?Jay Maisel? brain, and here are 4 recent examples:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dishes and Shadows:
>>>>>> http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/I0000tEA5ryYSkEA
>>>>>> <http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/I0000tEA5ryYSkEA>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Open 7 Days: 
>>>>>> http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/G0000lsOBsEH5Wg4/I0000vRFjOEqSEyk
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/G0000lsOBsEH5Wg4/I0000vRFjOEqSEyk>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Barbers Pole:
>>>>>> http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/G0000lsOBsEH5Wg4/I00005C_y8B2Zt.s
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/G0000lsOBsEH5Wg4/I00005C_y8B2Zt.s>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Duke Street: 
>>>>>> http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/G0000lsOBsEH5Wg4/I0000qI9C6Kd2KJw
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <http://archive.gwpics.com/#!/index/G0000lsOBsEH5Wg4/I0000qI9C6Kd2KJw>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All were post-processed in LR using Kodachrome presets because I
>>>>>> liked
>>>>>> the filmic feel.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure if I have got it right yet, but it is an interesting path to
>>>>>> follow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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