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Subject: [Leica] M7 body coming - UPDATE
From: gerry.walden at icloud.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 07:25:59 +0000
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> On 18 Mar 2016, at 01:37, lluisripollphotography <lluisripollphotography 
> at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And when you take the M9 you will forget to switch ON/OFF the Battery!
> 
> Cheers
> Lluis
> 
> 
> 
>> El 17 mar? 2016, a les 7:27, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> va 
>> escriure:
>> 
>> A quick update so far, now that I have shot a few frames and had the film 
>> processed.
>> 
>> 1. I keep forgetting I have to wind the film on (oops!);
>> 
>> 2. I very nearly forgot that I have to wind the film back before I take 
>> the base off (oops#2!);
>> 
>> 3. I have tried Fuji Neopan 400CN (C-41 process) which I understand is 
>> made in the same plant as Ilford films, and I found it impossible to get 
>> a good scan using Vuescan but it scans just fine in Silverfast: and
>> 
>> 4. Having read Peter?s bit below I may well try Ilford Delta 400 through 
>> Ilford next.
>> 
>> I have scanned the images (nothing great!) and will post something to day 
>> or tomorrow,
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 23:49, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to add a rider to this:
>>> 
>>> I went back to Ilford and complained. They apologised profusely and say 
>>> that
>>> they had the TIFFs still available but had written to CD as JPEGs in a 
>>> variety
>>> of resolutions, because that is their standard practice apparently.
>>> 
>>> They then downloaded the TIFFs to me directly. I have to say that the 
>>> standard
>>> is very high and the resolution vastly increased, the tonality shows much
>>> greater depth and the noise correction that they apply has worked 
>>> wonderfully.
>>> FWIW the TIFFs are 13.5 Mb on disk, 4500 x 3000 pixels greyscale.
>>> 
>>> Originally they only sent me back the results from one film, but a 
>>> gentle push
>>> and the other was downloaded from the archive too.
>>> 
>>> So: A bit of a you-know-what, but put right in the end. Glad that I 
>>> complained.
>>> 
>>> Outcome: Ilford are very much back in the frame. Just be careful to 
>>> check what
>>> they do.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> On 13/03/2016 22:59, Peter Dzwig wrote:
>>>> I tend to agree but if you want C-41 you are quite limited...basically 
>>>> to
>>>> Ilford, although there is some BW400CN still around on the shelves.
>>>> 
>>>> If I can inject a word of caution: watch the processing workflow. A lot 
>>>> of these
>>>> guys say that they will provide TIFFs or hi-res JPEGs. In my humble 
>>>> experience.
>>>> I have processed four films recently, two through my (formerly 
>>>> excellent) local
>>>> dev shop and two by Ilford.
>>>> 
>>>> Neither came back as I requested as High Res TIFFs. Both the dev shop 
>>>> and Ilford
>>>> returned scanned JPEGs. In the case of the dev shop the girls who now 
>>>> run it
>>>> didn't seem to know what a TIFF was; to them developing was just a 
>>>> piece of
>>>> workflow. Pop in the film at one end of the scanner and out pops a 
>>>> JPEG. Trouble
>>>> was that they were only 1M.
>>>> 
>>>> The Ilford ones at least were 3. -5 M, but goodness knows what the 
>>>> variation
>>>> signifies or how the decision was made.
>>>> 
>>>> In short you need to find someone you can trust and build that 
>>>> relationship.
>>>> 
>>>> But don't let that put you off film. It is still a brilliant medium.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> PS From conversations I understand that some of the processing machine
>>>> manufacturers no longer supply machines that will do other than supply 
>>>> JPEGs
>>>> 
>>>> On 13/03/2016 13:31, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>>> Hi Gerry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Permit me to jump in?while film selection is not as good as 20 years 
>>>>> ago, in B&W I have bought some of the same films I used back before 
>>>>> going digital, such as Tri-X, Fuji Acros, and the Ilford films.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
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>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: 
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>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
>>>>> YNWA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Mar 2016, at 10:01, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> your comments are of great interest. Now I have made the decision to 
>>>>>> shoot film again for some of my work I cannot wait to get started. I 
>>>>>> am a little out of touch with modern films, so which do you use?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 13 Mar 2016, at 02:15, lluisripollphotography 
>>>>>>> <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good new Gerry!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I?m shooting again film too, I have several films to develop, I?m a 
>>>>>>> little disappointed with all these problems with sensors etc? , I 
>>>>>>> have followed the comments on the LFI about the sensor problems and 
>>>>>>> one of the members has said "If you want "real" B&W, pick up an 
>>>>>>> earlier M Leica or any other film camera and shoot film.?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As you say, we are trained for this!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> El 12 mar? 2016, a les 17:21, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at 
>>>>>>>> icloud.com> va escriure:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I ordered a used M7 today, and I am looking forward to getting back 
>>>>>>>> to film after 13 or 14 years. I bought it mainly as a backup in 
>>>>>>>> case anything goes wrong with my M9, but having said that i shot 
>>>>>>>> film for around 40+ years from the age of 14 and it will be good to 
>>>>>>>> play with it again. Back to the world of exploring which film is 
>>>>>>>> best handled by the processors I guess because i don't want to get 
>>>>>>>> into the processing side of life, which I never did enjoy. it 
>>>>>>>> should arrive on Tuesday complete with an 'Artisan' half-case and a 
>>>>>>>> Leicatime strap - such class!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>>>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>>>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>>>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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