Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/11/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Oh? That wasn't part of the Christmas/Anniversary package?? ;-) On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Tmanley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: > I do!! I've finished the manual and am practicing everything in real life. > It's pretty intuitive. More complicated than the M's but less complicated > than the Fuji!! Now to take it on a trip! > > Tina > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > To me the most important piece of information you can give, other than > if you're loving the camera, is what page of the manual you're on and is it > the first, second or third pass! ;-) > > > > There are lots of folks out there already doing tripod tests of X vs Y, > etc. for Tina the big question is do you love it? > > > > Bob Adler > > Robert Adler Photography > > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > > >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Aram. It's nice to know somebody is listening ;-) > >> > >> Tina > >> > >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at > >>> hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I was a bit late to see these and all I got was unknown photo errors. > >>> Tina informed me she took them down because of all the complaining > about > >>> her methods. I think that is pretty sad. She is without a doubt one > of > >>> the most knowledgeable and talented photographer in this group. And > she > >>> was spending the time to share her experiences, almost in real time. I > >>> would love to meet her one day and learn from her. If you don't want > to > >>> see what she is doing, just don't look. > >>> > >>> Sorry, Tina. Don?t let those curmudgeons get to you. If they don?t > want > >>> to see what you are doing they can ignore you. I am sure there are > plenty > >>> of people who do like to see how your are testing/learning how to use > your > >>> new camera. I surely was one. It is interesting to see how a > different > >>> person goes through the process of learning something. One can learn > just > >>> as much from the process as from the actual outcome. As a teacher I > would > >>> think a class was a failure if I myself did not learn from my students > a > >>> thing or two about the teaching process, or even the subject matter > itself > >>> when they would ask questions I had not though of. It is so good to > have > >>> someone like you going through the steps of learning the SL, and > posting > >>> your results. It then brings up questions that people have and you > have > >>> answered them. Reading a review from someone you don't know is so > static. > >>> You can't ask questions and get answers quickly. They might not even > have > >>> the camera anymore to try things and answer the questions. > >>> > >>> So, I would encourage you to keep posting so those of us who are > >>> interested can learn from the process as well as from the results, and > just > >>> let the curmudgeons be. > >>> > >>> Aram > >>> > >>> PS. I don't think I have ever used the word curmudgeons in a real > >>> conversation. Thanks for the opportunity, as sad as it might me. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Tina Manley > >>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:01 PM > >>> To: Leica Users Group > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux > >>> > >>> Because several people asked me to and I was trying to be co-operative! > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:59 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Then why bother testing or comparing? Just practice for what you > bought it > >>>> for ;-) > >>>> > >>>> john > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> > >>>> I'd much rather practice focusing on chickens' eyes. That's a more > useful > >>>> test for the kind of photography I do! Ferns and peeling paint and > rocks > >>>> that don't move are not my thing ;-) To me, whether the corners are in > >>>> focus > >>>> or not is not nearly as important as whether I can get sharp eyes in a > >>>> moving subject. With the SL, my hit rate is much higher and getting > even > >>>> higher as I learn to use it. The real test will be when I take it on > a > >>>> trip. I'm hoping right now with all of this testing to be able to > use the > >>>> camera automatically without having to stop and think about which > button > >>>> or > >>>> which wheel to use for the setting I want. The settings are pretty > >>>> intuitive but they do take more practice and learning than the M > cameras, > >>>> but not nearly as much as the Fuji ones!! > >>>> > >>>> Tina > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> A more useful test is where the subject is near infinity and should > be > >>>>> in focus, see what the corners look like with the 35/2.0, that is > >>>>> where the SL may be weaker than the M... Tripods are the only way to > >>>>> do decent A-B testing, that is not real photography ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> john > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> > >>>>> I hate tripods. I did put the camera on the rail of the porch. I'd > be > >>>>> glad to send anybody a full DNG or blow up any section to 100% and > post > >>>> it. > >>>>> You are probably right about the lens weight; however, I did carry > >>>>> around a Canon 1DMII with an 85/1.2 lens for over a year before Leica > >>>>> finally came out with a digital camera. That combination weighs 2623 > >>>>> grams and is not nearly as easy to handle as the SL and 24-90 at 2095 > >>>> grams. > >>>>> > >>>>> Tina > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:24 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> That you could/should have used a tripod to get similar framing ;-) > >>>>>> You, looking at the DNGs, are the only one who is likely to see a > >>>>>> real difference..... There will be no native SL lens weighing less > >>>>>> than twice (more likely 3x) the weight of a 35/2.0.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> john > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I took some photos in the rain to compare the SL with the R19/2.8, > >>>>>> the SL with the 35/2.0 Summicron and the M240 with the Summicron. > >>>>>> As I was carrying the cameras out to the deck, I passed the kitchen > >>>>>> scale so I weighed them. The SL with no lens weighed 966 grams. > >>>>>> The M240 with the > >>>>>> 35/2.0 attached weighed 961 grams, so not a huge difference. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When I attach the M lenses, the SL automatically recognized the > >>>>>> coded lenses with no further attention from me. When I attach the R > >>>>>> lenses, I go to the menu and tell it which R lens is attached. It > >>>>>> recognizes the lens but does not record the correct aperture. I > >>>>>> know I took several at F/8 and used hyperfocal focusing, but none of > >>>>>> them came up as having f/8 for the aperture. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The SL is much easier to focus. I tried out both the magnifying in > >>>>>> the EVF and the focus peaking. Both work fine but the magnified EVF > >>>>>> is much easier to see. You press the bottom right button once and > >>>>>> it zooms to 100% in the EVF, press it twice and it zooms to 200%. > >>>>>> Focus and touch the shutter button and it zooms back out and takes > the > >>>> photo. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> With the auto-focus SL lens, there are several focusing formats to > >>>>>> choose from in the SL and you can also touch the screen and have it > >>>>>> focus there or move the toggle switch (they call it the joystick) > >>>>>> next to the EFG to choose a focus spot. I find the screen and the > >>>>>> toggle switch to be easiest and fastest. But these are all manually > >>>>>> focused with M and R lenses. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The first one is an experiment with the Noctilux last night using > >>>>>> the magnified EVF to focus on Tom's eyelashes instead of the glasses > >>>> frame. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/image/161961923 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The next three are straight from the camera as DNGs, converted to > >>>>>> jpegs as they are exported with no other adjustments. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Leica SL with 19/2.8 Elmarit R: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961755 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Leica SL with 35/2.0 Summicron M: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961757 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Leica M240 with 35/2.0 Summicron M: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961758 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I did some bracketed exposures and merged the photos for HDR with > >>>>>> each camera and each lens. These are adjusted for color and > exposure: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> *http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7 > >>>>>> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7>* > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The SL will also bracket the 3 exposures as DNGs and make a merged > >>>>>> jpeg from them automatically. I found those needed more adjusting > >>>>>> than making them myself. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What do you think? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tina > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tina Manley > >>> http:// > >>> < > >>> > http://t.sidekickopen29.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XYgfmKYPW4WzBHl3Mx_9dW3LqWkM56dQ1Jf7P8b5b02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftina-manley.artistwebsites.com%2F&si=6038418186567680&pi=64160498-998b-45c0-eccd-67b507a25be0 > >>> www.tinamanley.com > >>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tina Manley > >> http:// > >> < > http://t.sidekickopen29.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJN7t5XYgfmKYPW4WzBHl3Mx_9dW3LqWkM56dQ1Jf7P8b5b02?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftina-manley.artistwebsites.com%2F&si=6038418186567680&pi=6b1ea160-ee1c-486b-e489-fe3b18e97cd8 > > > >> www.tinamanley.com > >> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Bob Adler www.robertadlerphotography.com