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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux
From: red735i at verizon.net (Frank Verizon)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:11:39 -0500
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In S(T?) mode ( you set speed, camera sets aperture), using a MF lens, did 
the camera actually set the aperture by itself?
I am wondering if there is some linkage from digital camera to mechanical 
aperture on the lens....which I think there is not....
My assumption is that when using a MF R lens, with the current adapters, you 
must use Aperture preferred metering ( camera sets shutter speed, people set 
aperture).

Frank Filippone
Red735i at verizon.net

On Nov 30, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:

Thanks, Frank.  I tried several ways of handling exposure.  I started out
using P and letting the camera set everything with the SL lens.  With the
manual focus lenses, I chose between A for Aperture and T for shutter
speed, depending on the circumstances.  I did not do too well using M for
manual because the EVF is so bright, I would forget to check the exposure
and severely underexposed everything!  I found that when I set the camera
for P, it often chose an ISO of 50 and a much slower shutter speed than I
would have chosen, so I ended up using A or T for the SL lens also.

The R9 with the digital back and no lens weighs 1402 grams.
The LS with no lens weighs 883 grams.
The Canon 1DMII with no lens weighs 1586 grams.

The LS with the 24-90 lens weighs 2095!  It's a heavy lens; however, the
Canon with my favorite Canon lens 85/1.2 weighs 2623 grams.  It's a monster!

Tina

> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Frank Verizon <red735i at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> I am delighted you like the magnified focus feature.  It is my preferred
> method. (a7 and XE-1)
> 
> An interesting comparison would be the weight of the new SL to the R you
> might own.
> 
> How did the camera perform exposure?  You did nothing, the camera handled
> everything?  You set the lens f-stop, the camera set the shutter? You did
> everything manually, setting shutter speed and aperture?
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
> 
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> 
> PESO:
> 
> I took some photos in the rain to compare the SL with the R19/2.8, the SL
> with the 35/2.0 Summicron and the M240 with the Summicron.  As I was
> carrying the cameras out to the deck, I passed the kitchen scale so I
> weighed them.  The SL with no lens weighed 966 grams.  The M240 with the
> 35/2.0 attached weighed 961 grams, so not a huge difference.
> 
> When I attach the M lenses, the SL automatically recognized the coded
> lenses with no further attention from me.  When I attach the R lenses, I go
> to the menu and tell it which R lens is attached.  It recognizes the lens
> but does not record the correct aperture.  I know I took several at F/8 and
> used hyperfocal focusing, but none of them came up as having f/8 for the
> aperture.
> 
> The SL is much easier to focus.  I tried out both the magnifying in the EVF
> and the focus peaking.  Both work fine but the magnified EVF is much easier
> to see.  You press the bottom right button once and it zooms to 100% in the
> EVF, press it twice and it zooms to 200%.  Focus and touch the shutter
> button and it zooms back out and takes the photo.
> 
> With the auto-focus SL lens, there are several focusing formats to choose
> from in the SL and  you can also touch the screen and have it focus there
> or move the toggle switch (they call it the joystick) next to the EFG to
> choose a focus spot.  I find the screen and the toggle switch to be easiest
> and fastest.  But these are all manually focused with M and R lenses.
> 
> The first one is an experiment with the Noctilux last night using the
> magnified EVF to focus on Tom's eyelashes instead of the glasses frame.
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/image/161961923
> 
> The next three are straight from the camera as DNGs, converted to jpegs as
> they are exported with no other adjustments.
> 
> Leica SL with 19/2.8 Elmarit R:
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961755
> 
> Leica SL with 35/2.0 Summicron M:
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961757
> 
> Leica M240 with 35/2.0 Summicron M:
> 
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961758
> 
> I did some bracketed exposures and merged the photos for HDR with each
> camera and each lens.  These are adjusted for color and exposure:
> 
> *http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7
> <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7>*
> 
> The SL will also bracket the 3 exposures as DNGs and make a merged jpeg
> from them automatically.  I found those needed more adjusting than making
> them myself.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
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