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Subject: [Leica] BIG new Leica - TINA
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:23:04 -0700
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> On Oct 22, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah ha.  I don't think you ever expounded about why the EVF on the Q was 
> not to your liking.  I remember when I was playing around with one in 
> Frisco, I complained about the lag, and the salesperson took the camera, 
> poked around in the menu a bit and gave it back to me and it was like 
> instantaneous.  I am not sure what mode it was in, maybe a video mode or 
> something, but when he revised the setting, the viewfinder was the most 
> responsive EVF I have ever played with.  And I have been an EVF hater 
> since the Nikon1 when I first considered a small walkaround camera.
> 
> So, maybe that is what was wrong with the one you were playing around 
> with.  It certainly made me dizzy until he fixed it.
> 
> Can't do anything about what you think of as plastic feeling, but the 
> viewfinder is certainly one of the real strong points of the Q, and 
> probably even more so with the SL.


dense and heavy son of a gun with a terrific EVF is my impression,

most important is great images with fast, dependable auto,



steve


> 
> Aram
> 
> Aram Langhans
> (Semi) Retired  Science Teacher
> & Unemployed photographer
> 
> ?The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin himself 
> would ever have dared dream.?   James D. Watson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tina Manley [mailto:tmanley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 1:44 PM
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica - TINA
> 
> The Q is very light and plastic feeling.  The SL is heavy and brick-like.
> More like an M.  I will just have to learn to work with the EVF which 
> others seem to love.  The reviews say it is much faster with less lag than 
> the Q which is what made me dizzy.  I don't use the EVF on the M240 much.
> Only when I have the R lenses on it.
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:39 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Will it be much different from the Q viewfinder that you seemed to hate?
>> Or to an M(240) with (lower resolution) EVF?
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> You can use all of the Leica M and R lenses on it with adapters but 
>> they won't be autofocus.  Supposedly the very large, bright viewfinder 
>> makes it easier to manually focus them.
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The Leica SL with a small lens on it would be near pocketable 
>>> (jacket exterior pocket) unlike the Nikon. But like the M
>>> 
>>> I think we need to not define a camera body by the stupidly huge 
>>> lens someone puts on it. Any camera body can have a modest to 
>>> compact optic on front of it instead of a metal munching fast zoom 
>>> or a zoom with an overly wide range... And VR makes a lens way heavier 
>>> and I think bulkier.
>>> 
>>> I'm saying put more Leicalike glass in front of these bodies and we 
>>> can see how they compare with an M with a typical M optic on it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/15 3:50 PM, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Interesting.  He also seems to state it has better image quality 
>>>> than
>>> the M.
>>>> Here is a quote:
>>>> 
>>>> "The SL is not a cheap camera ? EUR6,000+ for the body and a 
>>>> further EUR4,000+ for each lens makes this the preserve of the 
>>>> very wealthy,
>>> though
>>>> in reality I suspect most of Leica?s existing audience will see 
>>>> this one
>>> as
>>>> a no-brainer. M lenses are now virtually native, as are R lenses; 
>>>> they?re easy to focus and image quality is better than from the M 
>>>> cameras. It
>>> would
>>>> have been nice to see more resolution, but I suspect this might 
>>>> have
>>> eaten
>>>> uncomfortably into S system sales. I actually suspect this camera 
>>>> is the beginning of the end of the M resurgence ? a typical 
>>>> complaint from M
>>> users
>>>> I know is one of deteriorating eyesight and difficulty in 
>>>> achieving
>>> focus.
>>>> We no longer have that problem. And for those used to paying 
>>>> $7,000+ for
>>> a
>>>> body, the SL isn?t a stretch at all."
>>>> 
>>>> He also goes on a bit about the size.   BIG
>>>> 
>>>> Aram Langhans
>>>> (Semi) Retired  Science Teacher
>>>> & Unemployed photographer
>>>> 
>>>> ?The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin
>>> himself
>>>> would ever have dared dream.?   James D. Watson
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John McMaster [mailto:john at mcmaster.fr]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:58 AM
>>>> To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica - TINA
>>>> 
>>>> It is the lenses, almost same size and weight as S lenses!
>>>> 
>>>> https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5790/21615453253_1c85b372e2_c.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> SL compared to a D810 with 24-120/4 lens....
>>>> 
>>>> (from
>>>> http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/10/21/premiere-review-2015-leica-sl
>>>> -6
>>>> 01/
>>> )
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> It's really not that big of a camera, but folks are hung up on 
>>>> this idea that a mirrorless camera has to be a tiny little thing.
>>>> SL size compared to a digital M:
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ppbdsr8
>>>> 
>>>> I look forward to seeing what you can do with it, Tina.
>>>> 
>>>> Jay
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/21/2015 3:17 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>>> Has anybody posted a photo of it compared to the size of the M9 
>>>>> or the M240?  The Sony and Fuji mirrorless cameras are actually 
>>>>> too small and too light for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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