Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Gene, doesn't the lag drive you nuts? Bob Adler Robert Adler Photography www.robertadlerphotography.com > On May 24, 2015, at 8:47 PM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: > > Bob, > > That is the same way Live View works with my D4, although the LV Focus is > far better than your description of the Leica LV. but when taking a photo > the shutter first closes then opens again to make the photo. This is not > the same as how it works with EVF cameras, such as the Sony A7 & Nikon 1, > as I understand it. > > gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 8:52:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results > > Hi Ken, > > The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the mechanical > shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter > release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires > (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it doubles > the shutter actuations > > Here's my working theories: > 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the > primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being the > noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter kick). > The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its > accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on > > HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight > movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 and > f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth > while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving > grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of focusing > with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really helps > because of its tiny lag. > > 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my > larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and sometimes > live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I > can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger system, > I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen jpeg. > > Does that make sense? > Bob > > >> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about users >> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and >> front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I know >> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with >> in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and >> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica long >> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a >> focus >> error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. >> >> Ken >> >>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: >>> >>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. Completely >>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape images >>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check >>> focus >>> for landscape work. >>> >>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 sec >>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after >>> focusing. >>> >>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may >>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. >>> Best, >>> Bob-The -Grump >>> >>> Bob Adler >>> Robert Adler Photography >>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>> >>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < >>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" >>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. >>>> >>>> a note off the iPad, George >>>> >>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at >>>> earthlink.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The significant upgrade is live view. >>>>> >>>>> Doug Herr >>>>> Birdman of Sacramento >>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com >>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM >>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group < >>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results >>>>>> >>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$... >>>>>> Better >>>>>> value with the MM-I >>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > -- > Bob Adler > www.robertadlerphotography.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information