Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Rabs, calm down, lie down, and read a relaxing book. I recommend one about the wisdom of sending emails without checking a few things first - correct spelling, adequate punctuation, and the exclusion of gratuitous insults. Douglas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:28 AM Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: (SPAM: ?) Re: So much for "film is forever".. > Me I'm a photographer guy and I'm pretty smart when it comes to > photographer > stuff. > But you computer guys are pretty dumb when it comes to computer stuff. > Again and again and again the workflo in working with digital files I'm > sure > day one first day of class in computer school is you don't put all your > pix > or files of any kind in a hard disk with the idea that is going to be > there > forever. You keep migrating often a good time is when you amass more > information you got to a bigger drive but if your starting off with some > huge thing it would have to be on a set timely bases. This is a thing that > a > lot of people know not just ones who know how to code. > Basic computer backup. Its readily available information which I bet is > pre > high school curriculum now. > > > > On 5/15/15 6:25 PM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote: > >> Dang! I was going to stay out of this. :-) > > The digital media industry don?t >> give a hoot about long term image viability. The CEOs care mostly about >> quarter-to-quarter financial results and the size of their bonus. It?s >> the >> photographer?s problem and rather too few photographers even understand >> there >> is problem. > > Digital cameras are all disposable in the sense that 99.9999% of >> them are unrepairable after 3 years because the parts are no longer >> available. >> Why should digital images be any better from the industry?s >> perspective? > > Spencer > >> On May 15, 2015, at 1:42, Mark Rabiner >> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >> I think to agree I think that there is too >> much people time and money being >> invested into the making of digital still >> and video files for them to be a >> here today gone tomorrow kind of thing. >> >> It makes the whole industry look bad if people can't access their >> pictures >> >> any more or if these files are otherwise messed up just because they are >> >> old... Like an old Ektachrome slide fading and fungussing. in the corner >> of >> >> your basement. >> >> >> >> On 5/14/15 10:37 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" >> <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I have been following this thread with >> interest, as this is a problem that >> all >>> of us have, and my primary >> takeaway is that all archival systems seem >> to be >>> deeply flawed in the >> long term, so we might as well use the one that >> is >>> convenient to us and >> not worry about it. As Keynes said, in the long >> term we >>> are all dead. >> Your pictures, however, are damned either >>> way....:-) >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Spencer Cheng >>> <spencer at aotera.org> >> wrote: >> >>> We are going way off topic here so this is my >>> last comment. I >> did not say >>> to store your digital media using >>> microfiche. >>> >>> I am >> aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone >>> from NIST) >>> >> working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized >>> fashion. >>> >>> >> Best practice digital media preservation currently require >>> regular >> active >>> copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to >>> protect >> again >>> deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence. >>> >>> If >>> >> you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay ephemeral >>> >>> >> despite of what you believe. >>> >>> Mark, do as you wish but 1?s magically >>> >> becomes 0?s in digital media >>> whether you believe it?s going to happen or >>> >> not. Good Luck. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Spencer >>> >>>> On May 14, 2015, at 16:17, >> Mark >>> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> From the Library of >> Congress >>> (USA) >>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or >> digitization >>> for >>>> reformatting institutional collections?.... >>>> >>>> " >> That said, the >>> end of microfilming is near, despite it's relatively low >>>> >> cost and the >>> several hundred year projected lifetime of preservation >>> >> film. >>>> The >>> National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants >> for >>>> >>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to >> maintain> > >>> and service." >>>> >>>> >>> >> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescopy >>>> >>>> >> >>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method >>>> >>> >> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for >> 100+ years (or >>> >>> acid-free >>>>> paper for documents). The Canadian census >> was stored that way. >>> ?was? >>> because I >>>>> am not sure we have a real >> census any more. >>>> >>>> >>> Digital storage is very >>>>> ephemeral. I doubt >> if most digital storage will >>> last more than 10 >>> years. Those >>>>> 1?s >> randomly change to 0?s far too >>> frequently. I don?t think archivist >>> >> like >>>>> digital media very much. >>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Spencer >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica >>>>> >> Users Group. >>> >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for >> more >>>>> information >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William >> Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> >>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> >> See >>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users >> Group. >>> See >>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> >> information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica >> Users >>> Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See >> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users >> Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information