[Leica] : lots of Nocti .95 for sale

[sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)]

Like why don't you read what I wrote?   I used it on an M7.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> I'm glad that the Noctilux thanks to convoluted Live View technology is all
> of a sudden a viable piece of gear. As I think of it I recal was Teds main
> lens for I don't know how long I shot with it extensively, It was Jim
> Marshalls main lens for years to decades along with slews of other known
> and
> unknown photographers since 1932... Little did we know we were using non
> viable gear.
> We've all be real happy with the Leica M rangefinder which is the core
> element in Leica M shooting since the Leica II (Model D) with that same
> rangefinder on every camera since right up to the M6/7/P in recent years
> making it one of the longest continuous and highly successful technological
> products ever made.  83 years! It was pretty solid at the get go it was
> just
> tweaked from time to time. At one point dumbed down a bit too much making
> for flare which they fixed.
> A lack of confidence in the Leica M rangefinder does not say much for ones
> using the Leica M camera system. The question "why" comes up.
>
>
> On 4/5/15 7:43 AM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Apr 4, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You were close to describing "challenge " yourself.  The challenge of
> getting
> > what you want in focus with a Nocti.  With live view it is a piece of
> > cake.
>
> so true?. you actually see the image that will result.
>
> s
>
> >
> >
> >
> > With an M7, there was a challenge.  I met it a few times, and the image
> that
> > sold the most prints ever for a single exposure of mine was from an f1
> Nocti.
> > It was a carving on the Bishop's chair at the cathedral.  Last month I
> visited
> > a local architect's home; I have never been there before. Imagine my
> delight
> > to find that print in his hallway.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Sonny
> > Carter
> > http://www.SonC.com/look
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 5, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Frank
> > Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> My theory was that the recent (
> > last 5 years?) if the interest in the Nocti was by rich folk, that
> wanted THE
> > most exclusive/extreme camera and lens.... The Noctilux plus an M9 or
> M(240).
> > After getting that combo, they figured out that most of their shots were
> not
> > in focus.  Then came a period of "otherness"..... chasing the dream of
> some
> > other combo of expensive thing, and the Nocti ran out of favor.....for
> maybe a
> > Nikon D810 plus some lens or other, that actually made images that were
> IN
> > focus ( thanks to AF, since these folk never did understand hot to
> manually
> > focus anything).
> >>
> >> That accounts for the recent plethora of used 0.95 for
> > sale at pretty bargain prices...
> >>
> >> Or so my thinking goes....
> >>
> >>
> > Challenge?  Define THE challenge... the desire to have all your friends
> see
> > you with the latest and greatest?
> >>
> >> Frank Filippone
> >>
> > Red735i at verizon.net
> >>
> >> I doubt that people do not like it; more likely the
> > availability of more sensitive sensors, make it, to use a Brit term,
> > "redundant"
> >>
> >> The price of f 1 noctis are dropping too, for the same
> > reason.
> >>
> >> Interesting that the Leica M and Sony A7x cameras are finally
> > able to use those exotic lenses in ways they were never dreamed of by the
> > designers, and people are turning away from them.
> >>
> >> Guess the challenge
> > is gone.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> from my iPad
> >>
> >> Sonny Carter
> >>
> >>> On Apr 4,
> > 2015, at 9:43 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sadly
> > there seem to be a lot of f0.95s for sale, maybe no-one liked it ;-)
> Compared
> > to the +12 month waiting list a few years back...
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: LUG
> > [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.nz at leica-users.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> > Sonny Carter
> >>> Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2015 2:40 p.m.
> >>> To: Leica Users
> > Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] For Sale: pristine Nocti .95
> >>>
> >>> So if we
> > collected a buck for every word on this thread that doesn't pertain to
> Sue's
> > wish to sell her lens, we could buy it from her.
> >>>
> >>> from my iPad
> >>>
> >
> >>> Sonny Carter
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 4, 2015, at 8:53 PM, John McMaster
> > <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From:
> > Mark Rabiner
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just insane Steve.
> >>>>> When we think about getting
> > a new lens or other gear we research it
> >>>>> extensively on the internet
> > often starting with the manufactures
> >>>>> stated specs. Then the >specs
> > which other people are publishing. You
> >>>>> can line with up as direct
> > comparisons. There's dxomark.  MTF
> >>>>> charts. Erwin Puts books and
> > website
> >>>>
> >>>> I have Erwins books....
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you'd like I can
> > talk quite lucidly with you about the Noct 1.2. A lens I've seen
> personally
> > once but have read about extensively over decades.
> >>>>> We talked about this
> > lens once for quite awhile over a dinner table in a dark steakhouse in
> San
> > Antonio with Sherry K. and Jim Marshall in 2001.
> >>>>> Jim was going to buy
> > the lens as he heard it was better and was more compact.
> >>>>> Sherry and I
> > talked him out of it. Its not better. It's worse on all accounts.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > Odd, my Puts books show that the f1.2 is sharper wide open, particularly
> in
> > the corners and not much between them at f5.6. I know somebody on this
> list
> > has personal experience of this being the case.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I really had my
> > facts down on the history of Noctilux glass then
> >>>>> because I had just got
> > one for myself. A lens which I left on my
> >>>>> camera without taking off for
> > a year and made 16x20 fiber archival prints of my finders which I rolled
> up
> > and sent to them all over the world for their holiday stocking stuffers.
> I
> > shot thousands or rolls of film with my Noctilux. Mainly Fuji Neopan 1600
> > which I souped in Xtol 1:3.
> >>>>
> >>>> Uh huh, so how much fine detail did you
> > get with that compared to say
> >>>> K25? Slight difference between 35mm 1600
> > asa film and an
> >>>> M9/240/Monochrom for finding a lenses limitations
> > ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>> I often used a yellow green or dark green filter with it so
> > I'd not have to stop down so much or at all.
> >>>>> I found Noctilux use to be
> > all about F 1000th of a second and be there.
> >>>>> You have you shutter speed
> > set at 1000th of a second and you hope
> >>>>> you don't have to stop down too
> > much if at all. As its very much about a tight selective focus mind set.
> >>>>>
> > I can talk about the history of Noctilux and any aspect you want to talk
> about
> > Noctilux till the cows come home. If you don't like it don't read it.
> >>>>>
> > George seems to think my experience with the Noctilux is completely
> invalid
> > and I should just shut up became I shot film and not digital.
> >>>>
> >>>> And
> > many people who have shot on both say that digital is very different....
> >>>>
> >
> >>>>> Really pretty funny.
> >>>>> Some real narrow small minded sectarian
> > thinking going on on the LUG.
> >>>>> At least no ones correcting my
> > spelling.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not how I think of George or Steve ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > John
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4/4/15 7:25 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> what I am interested in here Mark, is your pure opinion
> > without
> >>>>> facts, about very expensive leica lenses, that you desire, but
> > have
> >>>>> never used, importantly you resent another's opinion about these
> >
> >>>>> lenses, generally that they own and have used ..
> >>>>
> >>>> I sense
> > that you resent that they have the lenses and you
> >>>>> don t . Please correct
> > me if I am wrong.
> >>>> did I forget anything?
> >>>>
> >>>> You may
> >>>>> wish
> > to borrow or rent them, to form a basis for an opinion.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > Steve
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On
> >>>>> Apr 4, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Mark Rabiner
> > <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What
> >>>>> I'm interested in here
> > is the fact that two eleven thousand dollar
> >>>>> newest from Leica cutting
> > edge lenses have been rejected by two Lug
> >>>>> people because of bad bokeh.
> > And that neither of them have found it
> >>>>> necessary to show us examples of
> > this.  That's 22,000 dollars worth
> >>>>> of bad bokeh and money in the back.
> > Not a jpeg to be seen anywhere.
> >>>>> But we do get to see that the older f1
> > looks like on a tulip.  That
> >>>>> explains everything.
> >>>>> And that when
> > someone in
> >>>>> the world is about to cough up that kind of money for this
> >
> >>>>> centerpiece of modern Leica technology they could end up telling
> >>>>>
> > their friend  "I was going to buy this amazing f.95 lens for eleven
> >>>>>
> > thousand dollars but then I checked and there are these people on
> >>>>> the
> > Leica users group who had to send their back. Or trade it in for
> >>>>> the
> > previous version which came out decades ago and is an f1.
> >>>>> because of
> > bad bokeh? Then googled bad bokeh and its all about not
> >>>>> what's in focus
> > but what's out of focus but for this lens its the
> >>>>> defining deal! So I'm
> > going to hold off till I figure out what's going on"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > That's what I'm interested in.
> >>>>> I'm interested in people doing a "been
> > there done that" with a the
> >>>>> gem of Leicas new line of lenes. A lens
> > which from all reports is
> >>>>> nothing short of a modern marvel of optical
> > excellent unmatched in
> >>>>> the modern world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Been there done
> > that!
> >>>>> Oh I've got the pictures
> >>>>> here somewhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From
> > all I've read about it the bokeh which is what an ultra fast
> >>>>> lens is
> > all about on the f.95 is not worse than the f1 but better.
> >>>>> One reason
> > being that the people running and working at Leica now
> >>>>> didn't all of a
> > sudden go to bed and then wake up in the morning
> >>>>> stupid. I have a
> > slightly high respect for the people at Leica
> >>>>> especially the lens
> > design people.
> >>>>> And my eyes work fine when I'm shown a lackluster bokeh
> > image from a
> >>>>> new Noctilux I'll look into it further.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>> On 4/4/15 6:10
> >>>>> PM, "George Lottermoser"
> > <george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Not making
> >>>>> up any rules
> > Mark.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just an honest question.
> >>>>>> Wondering if you've
> > had
> >>>>> an opportunity to try your M lens collection on a
> >>>>>> digital M
> > body.
> >>>>>> A
> >>>>> friend here in Milwaukee rented an M body just to see if
> > it may be for him.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My experience with my M8, M, and M Monchrom
> > are very similar to
> >>>>>> others
> >>>>> who've
> >>>>>> needed to have lenses
> > and or bodies adjusted to get them more
> >>>>> precisely in
> >>>>>> line with
> > specifications.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My 35 lux Asph front focuses
> >>>>>
> > horribly.
> >>>>>> My 75 lux has similar problems.
> >>>>>> Neither of those
> > lenses
> >>>>> exhibited problems
> >>>>>> on my 3 M6 film bodies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> > While my 50 lux Asph and
> >>>>> 28 cron Asph both
> >>>>>> focus dead accurate on
> > all three digital M bodies
> >>>>> That's my experience with four lenses on 3
> > film different film
> >>>>> bodies
> >>>>>> and 3
> >>>>> different digital M
> > bodies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I certainly appreciate your very extensive
> >>>>>
> > "qualifications" and opinions,
> >>>>>> most especially on the equipment
> > and
> >>>>> processes you've used over the decades.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a note off
> > the iPad, George
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Apr 4, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Mark Rabiner
> > <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Here a fact I can report on
> > George. I will add my opinion on this
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>> any
> >>>>>>> other
> > thread on the Lug which I feel like I have something to say
> >>>>> about as
> > I
> >>>>>>> have done here for seventeen years with no care at all about
> >>>>>
> > your opinion of
> >>>>>>> my qualifications.
> >>>>>>> You don't get to start
> > making up
> >>>>> crazy rules.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 4/4/15 12:54 PM,
> > "George Lottermoser"
> >>>>> <george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:31
> >>>>> PM, Mark Rabiner
> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> but it usually
> >>>>>>>>> works and its many
> >>>>>
> > times more accurate than a ground glass especially with
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>
> > normal
> >>>>> and more so with a wide
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> do you have any
> > personal experience
> >>>>> with using lenses on Leica M digital
> > bodies?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The realities of
> >>>>> perfectly flat sensors,
> > rangefinder precision, cam
> >>>>>>>> adjustments, etc
> >>>>> are being described
> > to you by individuals who have extensive first
> >>>>> hand eperience
> >>>>>>>>
> > on the subject they're discussing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There's also a
> >>>>>
> > wealth of information available on the subject.
> >>>>>>>> Bob has provided
> > links to
> >>>>> some the best information on the subject.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> > This is not a
> >>>>> debate.
> >>>>>>>> These are reports on facts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>> George
> >>>>> Lottermoser
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> > http://www.imagist.com
> >>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> >>>>>>>>
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> >>>>
> >>>>
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