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Subject: [Leica] (SPAM: ?) Re: Photo show dissent
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 22:36:48 -0400

AA specifically mentioned "laser beams".
He thought a printing process would come about with laser beams. And they'd
use that to make better prints of his neg than he did with his darkroom.
They'd look at AA's darkroom prints as a reference of course.
 
I think the point is if you are smart you know you have no idea what's going
to happen and there is an option to consider your negs a living thing to be
further explored.
I have mixed feelings about if your "work " is you negs or your prints.
I'm feeling know they are very much both.


On 3/22/15 8:44 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:

> Not really tongue in cheek.  AA left all of his negatives with the
> thought that future generations might be able to print them better with
> new technology (as opposed to Brett Weston who destroyed most all of
> his).  Gene Smith might have thought that Dr. Schweitzer needed a few
> more natives behind him, I don't know...
> 
> Ken
> 
> On 3/22/2015 6:34 PM, Richard Man wrote:
>> I presume you might be speaking tongue in cheek, but St. Adam and Gene
>> Smith would have loved photoshop. They would do it as much as possible
>> without post processing, but to say they wouldn't use the best available
>> tools would be silly.
>> On Mar 22, 2015 3:44 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you imagine Ansel with Photoshop, or Gene Smith?  Well, crap, that
>>> darkroom fire burned the top part of my Half Dome neg but I can fix it in
>>> post...
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> On 3/22/2015 3:59 PM, Chris Crawford wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Larry, that?s a bigoted and historically unsupportable view. 
>>>> Photographers
>>>> have combined images to make totally conceptual scenes since the 19th
>>>> century, most famously by Jerry Uelsmann starting in the 1960s and
>>>> continuing to the present day. Ansel Adams famously stated that the
>>>> negative was like a musical score, a starting point that the artist uses
>>>> to produce the final performance (the print).
>>>> 
>>>> Art and photography are most certainly NOT two different media.
>>>> Photography is an art media, one of many, including painting, sculpture,
>>>> ceramics, drawing, and graphic printmaking (eg. Etching, lithography).
>>>> There is a lot of overlap, these are not absolutely separate art forms.
>>>> The painter, sculptor and printmaker incorporate drawing into their 
>>>> work.
>>>> The printmaker can transfer photos to the etching plate. Photographers 
>>>> can
>>>> paint and draw on the photo, or manipulate it on the computer, and
>>>> computer graphics can be purely drawing without using photos.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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