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Subject: [Leica] 4 Pics -> Ted
From: kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:26:15 -0600
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Lluis,

Very well said, much to ponder there.  Hey, I have that DVD on "The Art 
of Observation", can't recall right now who made it :), but time to 
watch it again.

Ken


On 1/14/2015 5:34 PM, Lluis Ripoll wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> First all thank you for your words to my work, your words are, as usual, a 
> true lesson.
>
> I?m reading a small book recently published of interviews to HCB and I 
> realize several things, he has two special sentences that caught my 
> interest ?I?m not interested for the photography it is the life what 
> interest me? and ?the art of viewing is everything?. This sounds me?. 
> someone has make a DVD I saw several times ?The Art of Observation??. I 
> think your e-mail desserves a deep personal response.
>
> I think that when someone start into the photography the main concern is 
> take pictures, nice pictures, when you become more experienced the main 
> concern is capturing the essence of the life, and I think as well, you 
> shall be rich in your inner life to be able to view and capture the life 
> around you. Actually I?m mostly interested to read and know about the 
> thoughts of the great photographers than to see the images, imaging can 
> not be just an aesthetic result but a consequence of introspection, what 
> can otherwise help our gaze be surprised by everything we see?. When I was 
> young, I was admiring the great photographers visiting exotic Countries, I 
> was not able to do the same, on the other side I?ve discovered the great 
> humanistic photographers, Doisneau, Izis, Weiss, Ronis, Boubat, Riboud, 
> Mary Ellen Mark ? and many others and I?ve asked my self why are they 
> surprised by their look by the everyday life around them?? if they have 
> found it, I shall do an effort and try to find also the same impact. I?m 
> sorry for this explanation, but this explain one of the reasons how and 
> why I?ve became interested for the kind of photography I?m doing.
>
> You have said another memorable sentence:
>
> <<YOU CAN ONLY SHOW IT, TELL THEM, AGAIN & AGAIN! "But you ain't going to 
> teach it!>>
>
> I feel very honored and excited with the words you say to me, really, I do 
> not deserve such. Not if I can teach, however, I would be satisfied if he 
> knew how analyze their pictures. In the LUG we have a very high 
> photographic quality level, however I see much worth what abounds in the 
> world of photography, pure garbage from pictures made in the street who 
> think they are street photography, others taken with the sole obsession to 
> demonstrate the exceptional qualities of a new lens inadvertently falling 
> into marketing the manufacturers own favor, with many photographs 
> pictures. Perhaps this is a emerging new photographic specialty ?Camera 
> Tester"?
>
> I apologize if you think that what I have written I want to give a lesson, 
> is not it, I think it is the first time in my life I express with all 
> sincerity and humility what I really think and feel, and only show it by 
> gratitude and answer to my dear friend Ted. When something is done 
> spontaneously by instinct, is not a merit, it is a natural characteristic 
> to follow as simply as my friend advised saying "KISS"
>
> Thank You!
>
> Cheers
> Lluis
>
>
>
>
>    
> El 14/01/2015, a las 00:07, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> escribi?:
>
>> Peter offered this question too Lluis:
>>
>>>> Can you "translate" what you do by instinct into terms that ordinary
>> people could
>>> understand (especially people who don't understand photography anywhere
>> near as you)? <<<<<<<
>>
>> Hi Lluis & Peter.
>> May I interject here, please?"
>>
>> After being the key note lecturer for the "LEICA INTERNATIONAL CAPE COD
>> SEMINAR" for 16 years. Not counting lecturing to amateur groups, 
>> university
>> journalism classes and myriads of professional groups, mixed throughout my
>> 60 plus years. A tad bit of experience.
>>
>> Trying to teach humans how to make their instinct re-act to a scene or
>> situation is an almost impossibility. Humans are humans and their 
>> re-actions
>> are not equal one unto another! Some are so  slow the bodies are being
>> carried away before they take the lens cap off! Or turn on the camera? Set
>> the ISO! Or take it out of the case? Or they don't even see a picture 
>> lying
>> face down twenty feet in front of them> OH sorry that was some "old one 
>> eyed
>> guy!" ;-)
>>
>> I have as others on the LUG, been in Llui's presence when he is street
>> shooting he is so fast! And I swear.... "INVISIBLE" to his subjects that 
>> he
>> has the photo taken, turned ready to shoot something else in an entirely
>> different direction and the subjects have absolutely no idea he took their
>> photo.
>>
>> And no matter how well you explain and show brilliant images, the
>> "SEE-RE-ACT-CLICK" can't be taught! You can explain it a million times in
>> whatever language you wish! But if the people "DO NOT" have rapid fire
>> natural born human instincts they will miss the "LlUIS TYPE PHOTO 
>> MOMENTS!"
>> PERIOD! Or be extremely lucky!
>>
>> Instincts / re-actions are "to each his own." We're made that way. As 
>> often
>> as you show images of sports figures in mid-flight of a dive or whatever
>> during a jump, leap in the air there are those that after a 100 tries? A
>> 1000 tries?
>> Will still be looking at their camera to see what they set it at "OR SOME
>> TECHIE THING?" ;-)
>>
>> Then there is Lluis with instincts I swear he feels the image before he
>> see's & shoots IT! :-)
>>
>> Then today you have all those whiz-bang "FANCY-PHONE CAMERAS" that so many
>> people have. And without question they nearly all think they are
>> "SUPER-SHOOTERS!" "Oh I don't need any lessons I've got my super-camera
>> i-Phone!" Added to the insult?  "Oh what does he know! Look all he has is
>> one of those "OLD-FASHION LEICA CAMERAS!" Throw their head back, walk off
>> and sniff the air! "He's got one of those "old-time camera things! You 
>> can't
>> even phone with it!"
>>
>> So OK, re-actions, instincts, swiftness of eye and trigger finger, CLICK?"
>> Trust me.......... YOU CAN ONLY SHOW IT, TELL THEM, AGAIN & AGAIN! "But 
>> you
>> ain't going to teach it!
>>
>> Not today with such auto-cameras on the market the holder believes he or 
>> she
>> just has to aim it and it takes great action images. "Or the quick corner
>> KISS in a bar!" ;-)
>>
>> However? Lluis being Lluis "The Great One" we all love and admire? He'd 
>> defy
>> everything I've said and turn out a bunch of invisible LaRambla photo
>> -snappers! :-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> ted
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
>> Behalf Of
>> Lluis Ripoll
>> Sent: January-13-15 10:17 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 4 Pics
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your arguments, I shall have my thoughts about 
>> this.
>> I don?t know if I would be able to communicate to others my instinctive
>> reactions and be able to explain how and why I react to shot, but your
>> questions are very interesting and help a lot. Thank you very much Peter, 
>> I
>> will not forget?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
>>
>> El 13/01/2015, a las 06:18, Peter Klein <boulanger.croissant at gmail.com>
>> escribi?:
>>
>>> Lluis: I think you have many things you could teach, and you have a Web
>>> "presence."  Would you be comfortable with teaching?  Can you "translate"
>>> what you do by instinct into terms that ordinary people could
>>> understand (especially people who don't understand photography anywhere
>>> near as you)?  Would you enjoy doing that?  If the answer to these
>>> questions is "yes," then I think you could do great workshops!
>>>
>>> --Peter
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Lluis Ripoll <
>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Montie,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for looking and for your comment! Do you really 
>>>> think
>>>> that someone would be able to pay for?? ?. I would like it?., it will be
>>>> nice ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Lluis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El 13/01/2015, a las 02:44, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>> You should be holding "street photography" workshops!
>>>>>
>>>>> Montie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy Call
>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/lluisripoll/16080258500/>
>>>>> MM Lux 75
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoying Winter
>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/lluisripoll/16241703526/>
>>>>> MM, Lux 35 pre
>>>>>
>>>>> Confidentiality
>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/lluisripoll/15645206044/>
>>>>> MM, Lux 50
>>>>>
>>>>> Cafe Zurich
>>>>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/lluisripoll/15647724153/>
>>>>> MM, Lux 75
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>
>>>>>
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