Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/01/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think shooting medium format film still makes sense for super quality work. The next film is shoot will be with my Rolleiflex 2.8 F twin lens which I know is going to work. If the selenium meter doesn't work I have a hand held. An 80mm 2.8 Planar is a lens I can live with. A scan from a 6x6cm neg does not have to be high end to rival captures from some very expensive digital cameras I should think. On 1/5/15 8:59 AM, "Christopher Williams" <zoeica at mac.com> wrote: > Trying to decide which format to shoot a group of poppycocks this morning. > If I was hip I would shoot film. Chris > Williams www.zoeicaimages.net 504-231-6261 ----- Reply message ----- From: > "Douglas Barry" <imra at iol.ie> To: "Leica Users Group" > <lug at leica-users.org> Subject: [Leica] Highly Intelligent Crop Factor > Overview Date: Mon, Jan 5, 2015 8:31 AM As I've been busy with house moving, > house clearance, christmas and things of that sort, I haven't looked at the > list. Did this morning and you're busy people!!! Ye gods, the amount of time > and keystrokes that have gone into this thread alone is amazing. I'd suggest > it's time that people got lives and took some proper photos and forget the > poppycock. Who wants to be the Cock of Poppies pounding preaching > punctuationless prattling prose pretentiously into an uncaring ether? Take > pictures. Douglas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" > <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: > Monday, January 05, 2015 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] Highly Intelligent Crop > Factor Overview The bottom line crux of the crop factor issue is > money. Cropped cameras cost way less than full frame cameras. Cropped cameras > cost a grand $ more or less. The kind of money SLR's cost in the 90'w when we > were trading them back and forth first on Shutterbug then on eBay. The > represented close to zero commitment on the part of "photo enthusiast". And > they could produce Pro level quality because the format was the same and the > glass was not all that terrible. Now were' in the digital era and a pro level > cameras have upped the anti. They're two or two and a half grand now not one > or less. People don't want to pay that. And that sums up the issue right > there. They claim cropped cameras with dials on the top of the with flowers > and babies and mountains are "just as good". It's lame people. Lame. Cough up > the extra cash and shoot with a real camera. I promise you you can trade it on > eBay a month later when you get bored with it for another one. On 1/4/15 > 6:45 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: > Whenever I see topics like > this I think about my days as an audiophile. > We would try, for example, > incredibly expensive speaker cables to see if > the sound "improved". All the > while these masterpieces were pouring out > of the speakers, largely > unheard... > > Ken > > On 1/4/2015 5:28 PM, Steve Barbour wrote: >> thank you > dear poet Philippe.... >> >> >> >> >>> Ted,, dear Uncle Ted :-) >>> >>> we > don't want no more wars >>> we don't want no more Chernobyls >>> we don't want > no more Israel crushing Arabic states or people >>> >>> and this, thanks to > guys just like you who took risks so that we'd know. >>> >>> I guess we now > just want to shoot photos as we can, with the gear we >>> have >>> presumably, > or are dreaming of probably too. >>> >>> Oh yes young lad, what you've done > wrong. >>> >>> Well, your mistake may have been , ..., >>> >>> buying an M8 > crop camera? >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> Nope, definitely not ! >>> >>> It wonderfully > serves its purposes, whatever the crop factor may be :-) >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> > Amities aka fond regards >>> >>> Philippe, a kid at any age but who knows he > wouldn't want another Ronald >>> BTW >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 4 janv. 15 > ? 17:58, Ted Grant a ?crit : >>> >>>> Good morning CREW, >>>> I haven't paid > any attention to these posts about "crop factor" only >>>> because >>>> it was > never in my photon vocabulary for 65 plus years from start to >>>> now >>>> > near finished! >>>> >>>> So I thought,"Well these guys know all about this > stuff. "MAYBE I CAN >>>> LEARN >>>> SOMETHING I DIDN'T HAVE A PHOTO CLUE > ABOUT?" So I've been reading them? >>>> I >>>> still don't have a CLUE WHAT > THE HELL IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MAGIC >>>> MOMENT >>>> CAPTURED @ 1/1000 of a > sec?" Or the runner winning the 100 meter >>>> Olympic >>>> Gold medal > Race? >>>> >>>> I have 5 cameras hanging about shoulders and neck all > different size >>>> lenses >>>> for the immediate moment required? "SEE SHOOT > MERELY BY GRABBING PROPER >>>> CAMERA BY INSTINCT...... "CLICK!" Image > captured move on to next >>>> exciting >>>> moment without an eye blink about > what lens?????? WHY? >>>> >>>> ONCE AGAIN! It's the content and grabbing the > camera with the right >>>> lens is >>>> all that matters! "DON'T THINK OR IT'S > OVER!" >>>> >>>> It appears again that this kind of " CROP FACTOR" stuff must > really >>>> mean >>>> something major to the "ROCK & FERN FOLKS?" Real-life > shooters??? >>>> "NADA!" >>>> Besides if you don't know anything about it? It > "ain't goin' to hurt >>>> you!" >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Cause in Two Wars, a > helicopter crash at 50 below zero, very bad >>>> landings >>>> in >>>> ski > equipped Otter aircraft. When taking pictures of President Ronald >>>> Reagan. > Oh yeah President Kennedy, Her Majesty Queen of England, And >>>> one of >>>> > the most beautiful photos of Jacquie Kennedy ever????? >>>> >>>> "This "CROP > FACTOR GOBBELDY-GOOK" STUFF NEVER MATTERED? Or I don't >>>> think >>>> > so? >>>> Because it was never in a mind thought ! Hell I didn't even know > it >>>> existed? >>>> >>>> So in plain understandable English language would, > please "one person?" >>>> Not >>>> with 33 e-mails (thank you) explain to me > what I've done wrong for 65 >>>> years >>>> and possibly I can correct the > errors of my photographic ways? Thank >>>> you >>>> very much. >>>> >>>> Any > other "ERRORS OF MY WAYS?????????" You are free to use your >>>> > imaginations >>>> on that one. >>>> HOWEVER? NOBODY HAS THE ANSWERS TO FIX > THOSE! :-) :-) I suppose I >>>> might >>>> say >>>> "You really don't want to > know?" Mischievous devil wouldn't you say? >>>> ;-) >>>> :-) >>>> Thank you > most kindly. >>>> cheers, >>>> Dr. ted > :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ________________________________________ > _______ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for > more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/