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Subject: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question
From: frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 07:35:50 +0000
References: <CA+yJO1DW5hy5yg4-hp3JdOxL8YEozt1dCWZ+NV8txgVsmsxJ6w@mail.gmail.com> <D0A3B796.2D4D0%mark@rabinergroup.com> <CA+yJO1CQ2yb5LD-=wofU1jKWRvwVAHHDdJgLKcmv4sT9NeY7WQ@mail.gmail.com> <22100706-1421-4556-A822-D6E3AD853648@gmail.com> <CA+yJO1CgGa1z6NeNvrBC8D=DihZz7p4O_TtOLUZJ-WwXhUOH2w@mail.gmail.com>

For me it was price. In the UK it started off at a very high price, which 
put me off. I use Lightroom daily but photoshop only occasionally nowadays.
I may look into it again but my inclination has been to keep the PS I have 
and update Lightroom as and when it seems worthwhile.
Currently packages start at ?27 a month (over US$40) which is probably quite 
a bit dearer than updates from time to time.
Frank D.



>________________________________
> From: Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
>To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> 
>Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2014, 23:47
>Subject: Re: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question
> 
>
>The only connection that Photoshop CC has to the cloud is that it connects
>occasionally to confirm your subscription and to download upgrades.? It is
>not connected all the time.? You do not have to have a connection to the
>internet to use it.? Nothing is stored on the cloud unless you request it
>to be.? All of my files are stored on my external hard drives.? The program
>resides in my computer, just like Photoshop 1,2,3,4,5,6, etc.? I cannot
>understand the reluctance to upgrade to this most efficient and productive
>version of PS.
>
>Tina
>
>On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lluis Ripoll <
>lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just to add my 5 cents to this topic, I?m not in the Cloud, I use LR5 for
>> the scanned negatives only, my usual software is Capture One 8Pro, I?m 
>> used
>> to it and very happy.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
>>
>> El 03/12/2014, a las 00:39, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>> > Yes, I have the same knife. Love Wusthof knives!!
>> >
>> > Tina
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Me too!
>> >>
>> >> Though I always slice my own bread... With a W?sthof 23 cm bread knife
>> from
>> >> sunny Germany. Goes through bread like butter!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/2/14 3:18 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I think Photoshop CC is the best thing since sliced bread!? I
>> subscribed
>> >>> immediately and don't regret it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tina
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
>> >>> gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Eh? You can use or not use any early version or the latest of
>> Lightroom
>> >> for
>> >>>> which you have a perpetual licence for as long as you want under the
>> >>>> licence conditions that have applied from the very first.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There is no obligation to move to the subscription model for
>> Lightroom.
>> >>>> If you use both Lightroom and Photoshop in working with your images
>> then
>> >>>> you can get that bundle if you want. Basically a 12 month commitment
>> to
>> >>>> start.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For me, that deal is excellent value. So much so that I don't even 
>> >>>> use
>> >> the
>> >>>> couple of perpetual licence models I have of both Lightroom and
>> >> Photoshop.
>> >>>> I really like the integration and the immediate availability of the
>> new
>> >>>> features
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Obviously how much you use the programs will influence their value to
>> >> you.
>> >>>> Or if you consider Adobe (and Microsoft I suppose) as devils 
>> >>>> incarnate
>> >>>> determined to feast on your soul!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers
>> >>>> Geoff
>> >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2 December 2014 at 21:00, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> My copy of LR is 1.1 or something and my version of PSE is 4, but my
>> >> old
>> >>>>> Dell pc is 2005, and works too. I'm upgrading the pc when I move
>> house
>> >>>> in a
>> >>>>> couple of weeks, but at 10 dollars a month and initial costs, it
>> looks
>> >>>> like
>> >>>>> a future haemorrhage of money from me to Adobe for little real
>> benefit.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Douglas
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" <
>> >>>> hopsternew at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:24 AM
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You can continue with the perpetual licence arrangement as always if
>> >> you
>> >>>>>> wish.
>> >>>>>> Note that the current version is 5.7.
>> >>>>>> As has been the case the point updates are free. Once LR6 arrives,
>> >>>>>> whenever
>> >>>>>> it does, you will need to pay for the upgrade. Of course if you buy
>> >>>>>> something Leica new they will include a copy ;-) ;-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Here the subscription model with Photoshop CC here costs annually
>> >> $10, a
>> >>>>>> new copy $175 and an upgrade $100.
>> >>>>>> Those are very compelling numbers for me even without Photoshop but
>> I
>> >>>>>> haven't convinced you have I Nathan? ;-) ;-)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cheers
>> >>>>>> Geoff
>> >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 18:11, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
>> >>>>>> frozenlight.eu>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks to all who responded. It is clear that I need to upgrade to
>> >> LR5,
>> >>>>>>> so
>> >>>>>>> I will bite the bullet and do so. As long as I am not forced in
>> >> Adobe's
>> >>>>>>> cloud service, it is OK.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>> Nathan
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>> >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> >>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> YNWA
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 02 Dec 2014, at 07:26, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I just discovered that my Lightroom 4.4 does not recognise the
>> Fuji
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> XT-1
>> >>>>>>> files. Poking around Adobe's sites I see no upgrade that would let
>> me
>> >>>>>>> read
>> >>>>>>> those files directly into LR. So I am right now converting to DNG
>> >> using
>> >>>>>>> their converter and will then import those.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Are my choices really limited to using this clunky 2-step process
>> >> and
>> >>>>>>> upgrading to LR5, something which I otherwise have no reason to 
>> >>>>>>> do?
>> >>>> (and
>> >>>>>>> no, I am not interested in other RAW converters or in shooting
>> JPG).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>> Nathan
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>> >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>> >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> >>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> >>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>> >>>>>>>> YNWA
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
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