Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/12/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The Adobe people I'm very found of. They don't fool around. They don't waste time. They are working to make their stuff better. Any adobe upgrade is a big deal and a big day. Till I got on the internet I never heard anybody say "is this new upgrade worth it?". On 12/2/14 10:55 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > The combo of LR for asset management (keeping your photos organized and > ranked/sortable) and initial raw processing, and Photoshop for refined > development is, IMO, unbeatable. Now that you can create an ACR layer in > Photoshop, LR may be only needed for organizing. For many, LR is good enough > and upgrades are considered unnecessary: I envy. For me each LR major > upgrade > offers better raw processing and refined raw adjustments. I see the > differences and they do make a difference. The once every three year > Photoshop > upgrades were expensive. The subscription service is about equal cost in > the > long run if the price doesn't change too much. The benefits of getting > upgrades to both for $10/mo are well worth it to me! Ymmv Sent from my > iPad > On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > It was a huge shock when digital hit because I felt very good > about being a > master of my darkroom and my otherwise materials. All of a > sudden I knew > NOTHING. How was I going to darken/burn a sky and > lighten/dodge a face? . a > It took me a few years to figure it out. Part of > it was the upgrading of > Photoshop so that masks and layers were their or > better. > > Photoshop has always been the main digital darkroom for me and > most people I > knew. We were all in it in the very beginning I don't think > many of us > switched to Lightroom. I understand nowadays many very > respectable people > are getting by with the controls of Lightroom. > I've > been using Photoshop since 1992 I see its right around the time of the > first > LUG Post. The starting of the LUG 22.5 years ago. Photoshop had been > out two > years. > Today was the anniversary of my first lug post 12/2/1998 so its been > sixteen > years of bliss. I've learned a lot from the people on the LUG. At > LHSA > meeting people come up to me and tell me they read my posts out loud at > the > dinner table to their family. This makes me feel great as I never > could > write and I never knew anything intensively to write about. > > > > > > >> On 12/2/14 8:31 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> And if you want you can actually create Smart Previews of your images > and >> edit them anywhere , on your laptop while travelling for example even > if >> never on-line and synchronise the edits later. >> With both programs you > can have copies on main computer and laptop >> concurrently and synchronise > anything, including setting s and pre-sets as >> well as image edits all of > the time. >> I guess it comes down to how you use the programs and your needs > and wants >> too. For many photographer LR on its own is all they need. That > is what it >> is for, after all. >> >> For me I use both programs together > all of the time. I am in midst of >> re-editng some 1700 frames or so from > previous projects with one model. >> Lightroom means I can find everything and > filter to a very advanced level. >> cropping, WB, exposure, contrast, colour > profiling, sharpness local and >> global, it is all there. Actually for some > work with fashion or beauty for >> example LR has some wonderful tools that > are very quick precise (Yay for >> automasking for local adjustments for > one!!) then from within LR I can pop >> into PS where I want to use some > particular tools, say for sculpting or >> anything with layers/masks, > precision spotting better than you can do with >> any healing, content are > anything etc etc, and then the image is there in >> LR with all of those > adjustments for exporting for web , print whatever. >> >> This is for sure > enthusiast level use of the programs of course and as I >> mention for many > they have no need...until you discover what you can do! >> >> >> Cheers >> > Geoff >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >> >>> On 3 December 2014 at 09:47, > Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The only connection that > Photoshop CC has to the cloud is that it connects >>> occasionally to confirm > your subscription and to download upgrades. It is >>> not connected all the > time. You do not have to have a connection to the >>> internet to use it. > Nothing is stored on the cloud unless you request it >>> to be. All of my > files are stored on my external hard drives. The program >>> resides in my > computer, just like Photoshop 1,2,3,4,5,6, etc. I cannot >>> understand the > reluctance to upgrade to this most efficient and productive >>> version of > PS. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lluis Ripoll < >>> > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Just to add my 5 cents to > this topic, I'm not in the Cloud, I use LR5 for >>>> the scanned negatives > only, my usual software is Capture One 8Pro, I'm >>> used >>>> to it and very > happy. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Lluis >>>> >>>>> El 03/12/2014, a las 00:39, > Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> escribi?: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I have the same > knife. Love Wusthof knives!! >>>>> >>>>> Tina >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, > 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>>> Me too! >>>>>> >>>>>> Though I always slice my own bread... With a > W?sthof 23 cm bread knife >>>> from >>>>>> sunny Germany. Goes through bread > like butter! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/2/14 3:18 PM, "Tina Manley" > <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Photoshop CC is the best > thing since sliced bread! I >>>> subscribed >>>>>>> immediately and don't > regret it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:15 > PM, Geoff Hopkinson < >>> hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Eh? You can use or not use any early version or the latest of >>>> > Lightroom >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> which you have a perpetual licence for as long > as you want under the >>>>>>>> licence conditions that have applied from the > very first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no obligation to move to the > subscription model for >>>> Lightroom. >>>>>>>> If you use both Lightroom and > Photoshop in working with your images >>>> then >>>>>>>> you can get that > bundle if you want. Basically a 12 month commitment >>>> to >>>>>>>> > start. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For me, that deal is excellent value. So much so > that I don't even >>> use >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> couple of perpetual licence > models I have of both Lightroom and >>>>>> Photoshop. >>>>>>>> I really like > the integration and the immediate availability of the >>>> new >>>>>>>> > features >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Obviously how much you use the programs will > influence their value >>> to >>>>>> you. >>>>>>>> Or if you consider Adobe > (and Microsoft I suppose) as devils >>> incarnate >>>>>>>> determined to feast > on your soul! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 21:00, > Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My copy of LR is 1.1 > or something and my version of PSE is 4, but >>> my >>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> Dell > pc is 2005, and works too. I'm upgrading the pc when I move >>>> > house >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, but at 10 dollars a month and > initial costs, it >>>> looks >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> a future haemorrhage of > money from me to Adobe for little real >>>> benefit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > Douglas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff > Hopkinson" < >>>>>>>> hopsternew at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" > <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:24 > AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can continue with the perpetual licence > arrangement as always >>> if >>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> wish. >>>>>>>>>> Note that > the current version is 5.7. >>>>>>>>>> As has been the case the point updates > are free. Once LR6 arrives, >>>>>>>>>> whenever >>>>>>>>>> it does, you will > need to pay for the upgrade. Of course if you >>> buy >>>>>>>>>> something > Leica new they will include a copy ;-) ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here the > subscription model with Photoshop CC here costs annually >>>>>> $10, > a >>>>>>>>>> new copy $175 and an upgrade $100. >>>>>>>>>> Those are very > compelling numbers for me even without Photoshop >>> but >>>> I >>>>>>>>>> > haven't convinced you have I Nathan? ;-) ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at > 18:11, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu >>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who responded. It is clear that I need to upgrade > to >>>>>> LR5, >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> I will bite the bullet and do so. As > long as I am not forced in >>>>>> Adobe's >>>>>>>>>>> cloud service, it is > OK. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, > Spain >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: > http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>>> Blog: > http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: > http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > YNWA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 02 Dec 2014, at 07:26, Nathan > Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just > discovered that my Lightroom 4.4 does not recognise the >>>> Fuji >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> XT-1 >>>>>>>>>>> files. Poking around Adobe's sites I see no > upgrade that would >>> let >>>> me >>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>> those files > directly into LR. So I am right now converting to DNG >>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>> > their converter and will then import those. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are my > choices really limited to using this clunky 2-step >>> process >>>>>> > and >>>>>>>>>>> upgrading to LR5, something which I otherwise have no reason > to >>> do? >>>>>>>> (and >>>>>>>>>>> no, I am not interested in other RAW > converters or in shooting >>>> JPG). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan > Wajsman >>>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>>>> > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: > http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: > http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> > Options: >>> > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/listinfo/olympus >>>>>>>>>>>> > Archives: >>> > http://lists.thomasclausen.net/mailman/private/olympus/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Themed > Olympus Photo Exhibition: http://www.tope.nl/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica > Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for > more >>>> information >>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users > Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for > more >>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users > Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> > information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users > Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> > information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William > Rabiner >>>>>> Photographer >>>>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users > Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tina Manley >>>>> > www.tinamanley.com >>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com >>> > http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/T > >>> ina+Manley.html >>>>> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users > Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> > tina-manley.artistwebsites.com >>> >>> > http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/T > >>> ina+Manley.html >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information _______________________________________________ Leica Users > Group. 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