Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/07/13

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Dune View
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Robert Adler)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 17:43:42 -0700
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Hi George.
The digital back is, unlike film, completely flat (no camera I know holds
the film completely flat) and has no dimensionality (unlike film emulsion
which is layered). So critical focus is not possible with the GG; you can
get close. With Alpa you put a mount on your digital back to mount it to
the camera frame. Alpa provides shims in increments of 0.01mm and there is
a methodology to calibrate your specific back and your specific Alpa mount
to within 0.01mm. Amazingly, there is a difference!

The back does have a retina equivalent display, but it is small and
difficult to move around. Also, it only displays the jpeg. So that is what
I used to do before: frame and get close with the GG, snap, review the
image with a 10X loupe under a dark cloth on the backs small display (you
can enlarge, move around, etc., but it's slow). Adjust and shoot again
until satisfied.

Having a 12" retina equivalent display is revolutionary!
Best,
Bob


On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 5:06 PM, George Lottermoser <
george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:

> Thanks for confirming my assumptions Bob.
>
> As someone who spent most of his commercial career, and a good deal of his
> "fine art" career, behind a view camera ground glass I can't help wondering
> why the ground glass and loupe doesn't "work better."
>
> Does it come down to the size of the ground glass image being two small
> for your comfort?
>
>
> a note off the iPad, George
>
> On Jul 13, 2014, at 5:26 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well yes, but it stinks. I use it to compose only. Some degree of
> focusing is possible, but you have to stop down or use a ND filter so the
> CCD doesn't bloom. Very grainy, heats up the sensor, and eats batteries.
> >
> > A recent firmware update now allows the use of USB with the back. I
> tether the back to the surface and run Capture 1. Fire off a shot and then
> look at the raw file on the surface a few seconds later. Double tap the
> Surface screen and view where you tapped at 100%. Double tap and back to
> the full image. The Surface only weighs 1-3/4lb. I also use focus mask and
> the two together greatly simplify tilt. Still use a dark cloth as the
> Surface's screen is shiny. Also helps with errant light between the Lee
> filters, especially the 10ND.  I have a holder for the Surface on a tripod
> leg. Plastic and weighs nothing.
> > Bob
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 8:27 AM, George Lottermoser <
> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You don't actually have live view from that CCD? do you?
> >>
> >> So you're checking actual exposures on the Surface 3?
> >>
> >> a note off the iPad, George
> >>
> >> On Jul 13, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Microsoft Surface 3 (my new 8x10 GG) - It did allow me to get rid of my
> >>> ground glass and loupe!
> >>
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-- 
Bob Adler


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