Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/03/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]H ha, who changed the subject from Leica to Leila, seeing that "Leila" is one of our dogs' name :-) "Leila's April 24th announcemen" On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Leica may not as you say Geoff compete with the Sony as it will be stealing > sales from its M line. And a full frame compact more the size of a Barnack > than a metal munching M5 is going to make final images which would compete > with it. > A bad business decision for Leica unless sold them for seven grand usd to > match the M's.. Yet if they did that they could actually sell. As people > might even pay more money for a non slipped disk in their neck and feel > they > were getting off easy paying the same. > > And yes its mini 4/3's as non mini 4/3's 2x crop cameras were all bigger > than 1.5 crop cameras. And as dumb as the consumer market maybe being sold > megapixels you cant fool all of the people all of the time. > So not its not a smaller format in a bigger camera. > Its just an unnecessarily small format. > 1.5 crop cameras all already criticized as too small in the hands. There's > not practical need for a smaller sensor as if that's going to make for a > smaller camera body. Nobodies asking for cmares to fit in their jeans > pocket > and if they did....? > > Sony's and other camera companies compact full frame compacts will steal > money from M sales as there will be countless articles in magazines > demonstrating that excellent imagery came be elegantly made with cameras > far > smaller, lighter and cheaper than the seven grand M240. > Leica may just be interested in recouping some of that money with its own > product. Instead of just letting Sony and the other companies have it all > in > a feeding frenzy. > > Leica M6 sales were hurt by the elegant 35mm compacts made by Contax, Nikon > and Rollie. And Minox. And by I forgot. > > > On 3/7/14 1:32 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mark, not quite the full story. > > Leica Camera did market a version of a Panasonic four thirds camera for a > > period. Presumably it was not sufficiently successful and it was > > discontinued. > > Four thirds itself is displaced by the micro four thirds standard now in > > any case. > > Of course they still offer versions of some Panasonic compacts in their > > range. I've shot a few hundred frames each with Micro Four Thirds cameras > > from Olympus and Panasonic and they do a very good job. They offer some > > unique advantages but are not intended to compete directly with full > frame > > for some applications. > > I don't believe that Leica is intending, nor needs to compete with that > > Sony though. > > It's a bit of a trap to look at cameras just from an M perspective, which > > seems to come up in the on-line Leica groups a bit. Everyone wants a > > smaller, cheaper (add a list of desired features) vehicle for their > lenses > > while retaining the M cachet maybe! Leica remains a small niche in the > > scheme of things, however they have done better and better from the M9 > > especially, forward. Guess which company is doing better in their market > > niche, Leica Camera or Sony? On impressions Fujifilm and Olympus are > closer > > competitors with Sony? > > > > > > Cheers > > Geoff > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > > > > On 7 March 2014 16:16, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > > >> "bringing Leica back to the 4/3." kinda sounds like Leica used to make a > >> 4/3's camera, and now its coming back home.. Not the case. It's made a > >> couple of 4/3's lenes for other companies cameras. > >> Leica now is making compact 1.5 crop cameras. If there is a reason why > it > >> should go 4/3's as if its a fad it has a prerogative to join in on I'd > like > >> to know what it is. As is its a company whose mission has always been > >> making > >> a quality product and senselessly cutting its compact format in half > does > >> not add up. > >> Eyes are 0n Leica now to come out with its answer to the Sony RX1 full > >> frame > >> compact. Not stupidly dumb itself down. > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto