Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thank you, Phong. I really appreciate your support. You and 99% of the LUG are what make me keep going ;-) Tina On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Phong <leicaphong at gmail.com> wrote: > Tina, > > The jewelry and husband bits caught my attention. Obviously Chris C. does > not know you, you who live modestly but so richly. > Anyway, let me just take this opportunity to publicly say how much I admire > your photographic work, the most meaningful on display here on the LUG. > There's work by others which are more entertaining, more clever, more > witty, but none that comes close to the honesty and humanity in yours. > > And dear lady, while you've done well with your photography stock, I think > you might have done better with your friendship stock. > If the day ever comes that your stock images do not buy your next Leica M, > a few friends on the LUG and elsewhere might just step forward to cover the > difference, just so that your work continues. I would be terribly > disappointed if that would not be the case. > > Cheers, > > - Phong > > > > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Chris Crawford < > chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com > > wrote, in part: > > > Tina, > > > > This is a load of bullshit. > > > You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of > reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a > business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just > gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're > a marketer's wet dream. > > > > I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality > difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business > anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still made > good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than Nikons. > If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if your > husband bought it for you. > > > I've used Olympus OM gear since I was a kid, > > and never had issues with soft edges, fringing, or chromatic aberration > > with the Zuiko lenses, and they have good Bokeh. Never had those problems > > with Pentax lenses either. If quality really mattered to you, you > wouldn't > > bother with 35mm anyway. A cheap Mamiya 645 will blow away ANYTHING you > > shoot with Leica, no matter what Leica lens you use. I've shot both, and > > it is NO CONTEST. > > > > I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality > > difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business > > anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still > made > > good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than > Nikons. > > If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if > your > > husband bought it for you. > > > > That's not a slam on your abilities, its the reality of what working > > photographers in Journalism earn now. I became a teacher because I got > > damned tired of being f--king poor. Teaching is one of the very few > middle > > class jobs left here, and I still cannot afford a digital Leica on my > pay. > > My starting pay in the Ft. Wayne school system is more than the > > photographers at our local papers earn, and all of them have been there > > for over 20 years! You think any of these working photographers shoot > with > > Leica jewelry? Hell no. They shoot Nikon. > > > > You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of > > reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a > > business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just > > gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're > > a marketer's wet dream. > > > > > > -- > > Chris Crawford > > Fine Art Photography > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > 260-437-8990 > > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > > > > > > On 7/1/13 7:58 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote: > > > > >To me the camera matters. I've used other cameras. For stock or large > > >enlargements, you examine the files at 100%. There is no contest. I > hate > > >chromatic aberrations, fringing, soft edges, awful bokeh - all of which > > >you > > >get with other lenses and other cameras. With Leica cameras and Leica > > >lenses, I don't worry about 100% examinations. They are always good! > > > Sometimes great. If I'm going to spend my time and energy and money > for > > >travel to take photos, I'm not going to take a chance on an inferior > > >camera > > >or lens. > > > > > >Tina > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> Peter, > > >> > > >> I post pictures from my M9, my Olympus EP-1, my Pentax Kr, and my > > >>iPhone 5. > > >> > > >> The most pleasurable to use is the M9, but I do sometimes need AF, and > > >>thus > > >> the other three get some amount of use. > > >> > > >> The quality of the "three" is not there, but I've learned to use them > > >> appropriately, and with my editing eye, I can produce web postings > that > > >> satisfy, but the high detail of the Leica files enable me to do things > > >>with > > >> flowers that just are not possible with the others. So, to me, the > > >>camera > > >> matters. (I could wish for live view and a tilting Electronic > > >>viewfinder > > >> though.) ;-) > > >> > > >> hmmm, (Sony?) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at > > >> summaventures.com > > >> >wrote: > > >> > > >> > All, > > >> > > > >> > At the end of the day, whether we are using Leica, Fuji or something > > >> else I > > >> > don't doubt that Uncle Doctor Ted would impatiently remind us that > > >>it's > > >> us > > >> > not > > >> > the cameras that take the photos, and that if we are any good anyway > > >>then > > >> > the > > >> > camera shouldn't matter a huge deal. > > >> > > > >> > Peter > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On 26/06/2013 23:25, John McMaster wrote: > > >> > > I really wonder if I would have bought into Leica if I was buying > > >> > now..... I had not shot with nor knew anybody who owned one (I have > > >>owned > > >> > Canon, Nikon, Contax, Olympus, Hasselblad, LF etc and shot with a > lot > > >> more, > > >> > all prime lenses etc) and thought the name was all image ;-) > > >> > > > > >> > > I was coming from an APS-C Nikon and was looking at Canon 5D II or > > >>M9, > > >> > at that time size (I knew I would not carry a DSLR) so went M9. If > the > > >> Fuji > > >> > series was on the market at the time would I have bought that? > > >> > > > > >> > >>From http://zackarias.com/blog/ > > >> > > > > >> > > "You see, for decades Leica was the shit for the traveling > > >>journalist, > > >> > street shooters, documentary photographers, etc. They are fantastic > > >> cameras > > >> > with an undeniable heritage. But here?s the deal. The folks who put > > >>Leica > > >> > on the map can?t afford them any longer. They are a boutique camera > > >> > company. The working stiff can?t shell out close to $10,000 for a > body > > >> and > > >> > a lens. Go price out 2 M?s, a 20mm ish lens, a 35mm, and a 75mm. Go > > >>price > > >> > that out. Then price out an x100s, an X-Pro1, and the Fuji 14mm, > 35mm, > > >> and > > >> > 60mm lens. You still haven?t spent the price of a single Leica body > > >>yet. > > >> > Let alone two of them. And glass." > > >> > > > > >> > > With hindsight I would still go Leica, nothing to touch the lenses > > >>for > > >> > different looks and I prefer the simpler operation, but if I had not > > >>used > > >> > them what would make me spend 'rather a lot' more on Leica than > Fuji? > > >> Does > > >> > 'full frame' or the build quality make enough of a difference for > the > > >> price > > >> > jump to most people? > > >> > > > > >> > > john > > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > Leica Users Group. > > >> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > information > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > > >> > =========================================================== > > >> > Dr Peter Dzwig > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Leica Users Group. > > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Sonny > > >> http://sonc.com/look/ > > >> Natchitoches, Louisiana > > >> > > >> USA > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Leica Users Group. > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Tina Manley > > >http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Leica Users Group. > > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Tina Manley http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com