Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]This is in no sense an improvement. You have, in my view, made things worse. The face that your have been abused in your life, or the fact that people have said hard things to you in no way, under no circumstances provides you with any reasonable justification for abusing or being angry with any other human being. Two wrongs to not make a right. That is a totally bankrupt moral position. Quite the contrary. Having been hurt it should motivate you to take care not to injure others. What you said to Tina was hurtful. Rewording it so that it says parent, partner, boy friend, girlfriend, aunt, uncle, or whomever in no way makes the remark acceptable because the core thrust of your comment is that Tina can't make it on her own. That is simply not true. She did. I have enormous respect for her as a person and as a photographer. I do not comment on it all that often, but I very much enjoy her pictures. I always make it a point to look at them. The prime tenant of being in a hole, which is where you are, is to stop digging. Wouldn't it be better all around if you put down your shovel, stopped digging, admitted you crossed a line you would have been better advised not to cross, apologize, and then got on with your photography. Perhaps you might consider taking the advice you gave Tina. What is it about this discussion which has such an emotional hold on you?? Banrey E-Mail: bjq1 at mac.com Home: (301) 654-0938 Cell: (301) 775-1386 On Jul 02, 2013, at 02:46 PM, Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > Tina, what I said about your husband having to buy you gear wasn't meant > to be sexist. If you were not married, I'd have said your parents would > have to do it, and if you were a man I'd say wife or parents depending on > if you were married. Someone with money would have to buy you the gear you > use if you were starting your career now because as a professional > photographer, you would absolutely not earn enough yourself to do it. As I > said in my original post, that is not a negative comment on the worth of > your photographs, it is simply the economic reality in today's world where > photojournalists are so poorly paid. As I said in my original post, I make > more as a first year high school teacher than fulltime photojournalists I > know who have 20-30 yrs experience! > > The kids at my school caused two of the older teachers to break down > crying in their classrooms last year, and both quit teaching afterward. I > had students say some shocking and horrible things to me when I first > started but I just laughed it off. Once the kids realized that I wasn't > going to get all emotional and lose my cool, they started to respect me > and by the end of the school year they had come to like me. > > My point is that you shouldn't let yourself get too emotional about your > gear or about what people say on the internet. Leica is not a member of > your family, it is not a friend, and it is not God. It is a business, and > like all businesses, it exists to make money, not to care about you or > your photography. > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > On 7/2/13 1:46 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote: > > >Thank you, Lluis. Your opinion means a lot to me. Being "just" a woman. > >when I get emotional or angry, I cry. It's hard to explain to Tom why I > >have been sitting at the computer all morning crying. I wrote the history > >of my business to justify to myself and to him that I don't need to > >excuses > >or justifications or explanations ;-) ! I'm going to spend the afternoon > >wallpapering and dancing! > > > >Tina > > > > > >On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Lluis Ripoll > ><lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> TINA, > >> > >> I had no time to follow the discussion, and neither I wan't continue on > >> it, I have other things where I want employ my time. Just read few from > >>Ted > >> and you now and I would like just to add two cents. You Tina, you don't > >> need explain neither justify your work, we know it, and I say once more > >> congratulations for this. It is not your fault if you have make > >>business, > >> this is the target many of us wanted, it is not your fault if Leica is > >> maybe the best camera system ever made, everyone can do his own choice, > >>it > >> is not your fault if you have bought or not bought any lens in the > >>latest > >> years, you don't need justify anything, just continue showing and > >>letting > >> us continue enjoy your work. > >> > >> Thank you for all of this, you have been very kind telling us all these > >> things > >> > >> Saludos desde Barcelona! > >> Lluis > >> > >> El 02/07/2013, a las 17:38, Tina Manley escribi?: > >> > >> > LEICA USERS GROUP - > >> > > >> > I have been a professional photographer since I incorporated my > >>business > >> in > >> > 1980. I have worked really hard to make my business self-supporting > >>and > >> it > >> > is. I worked for many years as a teacher until my photography > >>business > >> > began to bring in more money than teaching. I bought my first Leica > >>M6 > >> in > >> > 1989 because my old Minolta SRT101 would not hold up to the extreme > >> > conditions of my trips throughout the developing world, where most of > >>my > >> > assignments were. I have used Leica M6, M4, M3, M2, M7, M8, M9 and MM > >> > cameras. I have Leica M lenses from the 21 to the 135. All of my > >>Leica > >> > lenses are old. I have not bought a Leica M lens in many years. All > >>of > >> my > >> > Leica cameras were bought and paid for with money from my business. > >>As > >> > digital cameras have improved, I have upgraded my Leica cameras. If I > >> had > >> > not had to switch to digital for business reasons, I would still be > >>using > >> > my Leica film cameras. None of my purchases were made for emotional > >> > reasons. Leicas perform for me. I would not use them if they did > >>not. > >> I > >> > have never had a Leica camera fail that Leica did not repair quickly, > >> > sending me lenders overnight. I am sorry that the cameras are so > >> expensive > >> > but I do believe you get what you pay for. In my experience, Leicas > >>are > >> > worth what I pay for them. I have never used a Fuji camera or an > >> Olympus. > >> > I'm sure they are wonderful. I hated the Canons I used when I first > >> > switched to digital. At this stage of my life, I am not interested in > >> > switching systems. I am not interested in using medium format cameras > >> and > >> > cannot imagine carrying one to some of the places I travel. Leicas > >> happen > >> > to be the perfect cameras for me and my work. That's why I'm on a > >>Leica > >> > Users Group. If you hate Leicas, perhaps you should be on another > >>group! > >> > > >> > Tina > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Tina Manley > >> > http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Leica Users Group. > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Tina Manley > >http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Leica Users Group. > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information