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Subject: [Leica] Buying Leica.....
From: wildlightphoto at earthlink.net (Doug Herr)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:17:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

Chris, you owe Tina an apology.

Doug Herr
Birdman of Sacramento
http://www.wildlightphoto.com


-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>Sent: Jul 1, 2013 6:10 PM
>To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org>
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Buying Leica.....
>
>Tina,
>
>This is a load of bullshit. I've used Olympus OM gear since I was a kid,
>and never had issues with soft edges, fringing, or chromatic aberration
>with the Zuiko lenses, and they have good Bokeh. Never had those problems
>with Pentax lenses either. If quality really mattered to you, you wouldn't
>bother with 35mm anyway. A cheap Mamiya 645 will blow away ANYTHING you
>shoot with Leica, no matter what Leica lens you use. I've shot both, and
>it is NO CONTEST.
>
>I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality
>difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business
>anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still made
>good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than Nikons.
>If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if your
>husband bought it for you.
>
>That's not a slam on your abilities, its the reality of what working
>photographers in Journalism earn now. I became a teacher because I got
>damned tired of being f--king poor. Teaching is one of the very few middle
>class jobs left here, and I still cannot afford a digital Leica on my pay.
>My starting pay in the Ft. Wayne school system is more than the
>photographers at our local papers earn, and all of them have been there
>for over 20 years! You think any of these working photographers shoot with
>Leica jewelry? Hell no. They shoot Nikon.
>
>You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of
>reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a
>business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just
>gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're
>a marketer's wet dream.
>
>
>-- 
>Chris Crawford
>Fine Art Photography
>Fort Wayne, Indiana
>260-437-8990
>
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>
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>
>
>
>On 7/1/13 7:58 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>
>>To me the camera matters.  I've used other cameras.  For stock or large
>>enlargements, you examine the files at 100%.  There is no contest.  I hate
>>chromatic aberrations, fringing, soft edges, awful bokeh - all of which
>>you
>>get with other lenses and other cameras.  With Leica cameras and Leica
>>lenses, I don't worry about 100% examinations.  They are always good!
>> Sometimes great.  If I'm going to spend my time and energy and money for
>>travel to take photos, I'm not going to take a chance on an inferior
>>camera
>>or lens.
>>
>>Tina
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I post pictures from my M9, my Olympus EP-1, my Pentax Kr, and my
>>>iPhone 5.
>>>
>>> The most pleasurable to use is the M9, but I do sometimes need AF, and
>>>thus
>>> the other three get some amount of use.
>>>
>>> The quality of the "three" is not there, but I've learned to use them
>>> appropriately, and with my editing eye, I can produce web postings that
>>> satisfy, but the high detail of the Leica files enable me to do things
>>>with
>>> flowers that just are not possible with the others.  So, to me, the
>>>camera
>>> matters.  (I could wish for live view and a tilting Electronic
>>>viewfinder
>>> though.)  ;-)
>>>
>>> hmmm, (Sony?)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > All,
>>> >
>>> > At the end of the day, whether we are using Leica, Fuji or something
>>> else I
>>> > don't doubt that Uncle Doctor Ted would impatiently remind us that
>>>it's
>>> us
>>> > not
>>> > the cameras that take the photos, and that if we are any good anyway
>>>then
>>> > the
>>> > camera shouldn't matter a huge deal.
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 26/06/2013 23:25, John McMaster wrote:
>>> > > I really wonder if I would have bought into Leica if I was buying
>>> > now..... I had not shot with nor knew anybody who owned one (I have
>>>owned
>>> > Canon, Nikon, Contax, Olympus, Hasselblad, LF etc and shot with a lot
>>> more,
>>> > all prime lenses etc) and thought the name was all image ;-)
>>> > >
>>> > > I was coming from an APS-C Nikon and was looking at Canon 5D II or
>>>M9,
>>> > at that time size (I knew I would not carry a DSLR) so went M9. If the
>>> Fuji
>>> > series was on the market at the time would I have bought that?
>>> > >
>>> > >>From http://zackarias.com/blog/
>>> > >
>>> > > "You see, for decades Leica was the shit for the traveling
>>>journalist,
>>> > street shooters, documentary photographers, etc. They are fantastic
>>> cameras
>>> > with an undeniable heritage. But here?s the deal. The folks who put
>>>Leica
>>> > on the map can?t afford them any longer. They are a boutique camera
>>> > company. The working stiff can?t shell out close to $10,000 for a body
>>> and
>>> > a lens. Go price out 2 M?s, a 20mm ish lens, a 35mm, and a 75mm. Go
>>>price
>>> > that out. Then price out an x100s, an X-Pro1, and the Fuji 14mm, 35mm,
>>> and
>>> > 60mm lens. You still haven?t spent the price of a single Leica body
>>>yet.
>>> > Let alone two of them. And glass."
>>> > >
>>> > > With hindsight I would still go Leica, nothing to touch the lenses
>>>for
>>> > different looks and I prefer the simpler operation, but if I had not
>>>used
>>> > them what would make me spend 'rather a lot' more on Leica than Fuji?
>>> Does
>>> > 'full frame' or the build quality make enough of a difference for the
>>> price
>>> > jump to most people?
>>> > >
>>> > > john
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Leica Users Group.
>>> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > ===========================================================
>>> > Dr Peter Dzwig
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Leica Users Group.
>>> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sonny
>>> http://sonc.com/look/
>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>>
>>> USA
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Tina Manley
>>http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>
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