Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]And you're right, John, the Pellix as a product of the 60s not 70's. I thought my long term memory was hanging in there. My first Popular Photography was 1963. John I did think the great common denominator is not as with film which was just shooting at f8 or 11 and it didn't really matter who made the lens or what it cost. With digital its just sticking to the lower iso' s. Shoot at the bottom iso's and you can be shooting with a point and shoot and nobody knows the difference. Get a light or go to the beach or the Bonneville salt flats and leave your S2 at home. Shoot with a camera which looks like a credit card. Post it. Tell them you shot it with a Leica S2. See if anyone notices. The Leica (M) is a camera which in particular needs to be able to shoot everywhere all the time. Light or dark. In or out. Day or night. Its really at its core what the camera is all about. Flexibility. Getting the shot no matter what. Its a street camera. A photojournalist camera. Sure it can be used for commercial stuff at iso 200 or 100 maybe on a tripod maybe with a flash and that's just fine its just not its core use for most users. Not what Leica is all about. So I DO think the M240 is a VERY BIG DEAL as we can now use the camera as it was meant to be used. Anywhere any time. Imagine a Leica M film camera in which you could not shoot Tri x but had to shoot Panatomic or maybe Plus x? I think it would kind of go over like a lead balloon. This seems to be where we've been at till now. And now is a very good time to be at. I do think the selling price for M9's will remain Bullish. So its not the end of the world. Your not going to have to unload it on your blind grandmother to use the cash for your M 240 piggy bank. And by the way for someone to say I have to have my own M240 in my hands clicking away to be able to write this legitimately is nothing short of nuts. On 6/27/13 4:15 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote: > The Canon Pellix was mid-60s, I owned one a while ago ;-) > > The M is like a refined and improved M9, but at standard ASA you are > unlikely > to see much difference between them. The M has higher DR and can cope with > contrasty scenes better plus can go to higher ASA, but not the extremes of > some other cameras. I find the add on EVF awkward to work with for anything > handheld, not tried my ultra-wides yet though. > > So for many people it is not a worthwhile upgrade to the M9, so why spend > the > money? That is assuming you can find one for sale ;-) > > john - who has used both > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I think have have said the M240 in particular is going to be a very >> successful >> camera based and my many decade experience in photography. Doing, >> talking and reading. And on a professional level. >> >> >> My next post may be on the Canon Pellix made in the 1970's with a special >> pellicle concept which seems to be coming back. >> After that I may say a thing or two about where I think Sony is heading in >> the >> camera department with its Zeiss glass which seem to be really pricy Zeiss >> glass and use of pellicles in what they call SLT technology. >> After that I may talk about how I'd rater be shooting with a Leica IIIG >> instead >> of the Leica IIIF I have and had dominated my Leica film shooting in the >> past >> years well over my M system. >> >> Which is really not the point at all its really a red herring what gets in >> everybody's craw is that I find the Fuji rangefinder to be lacking in >> comparison for the obvious reasons that it is a Cropped camera format. >> Two price points away from being the premium camera the Leica M is. >> A totally unproven thing. (Leica has been making rangefinders for a few >> more >> years) >> And when I express my support on the list for LEICA I get this! >> >> >> On 6/27/13 2:26 PM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>> >>>> So with the world all ablaze about the new Leica M 240 the only >>>> person on the Leica users list who is allowed to discuss it is the >>>> one person who has managed to obtain one. Hoppy. >>> >>> I believe we've seen a few examples from others who have handled them >>> and own them. >>> And we can certainly discuss their results; as questions; point to >>> other reports; etc. >>> >>> Though I, personally, cannot imagine denying their actual experience; >>> anymore than I can imagine denying your actual experience with your >>> gear, software, chemistry, films or papers. >>> >>> Regards, >>> George Lottermoser >>> george at imagist.com >>> http://www.imagist.com >>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/