Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I am still wondering about how the Type 240 works with R lenses? Does the focus assist really work with R lenses? Since you can only use the EVF to focus the R lens does that mean that all of your shots are going to have the shutter delay? So far I haven't read any user experience vis a vis the red headed stepchild R system and before I bail on my DMR I would really like to know if this is in fact an "R Solution"? Bill in Denver On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:30 AM, <curtisbliss at yahoo.com> wrote: > I think the original color could have been changed to black and white > preserving more of the values, but of course I love both cameras and have > never seen or touched either! > > Curt > > CB's > > Ipad > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> > wrote: > > > Surprisingly little difference. > > > > Dante > > > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote: > > > >> What do you think? > >> > >> Tina > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> > wrote: > >> > >>> I did that: > >>> > >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146447879 > >>> > >>> Converted with Silver Efex from > >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427043 > >>> > >>> Compared to MM > >>> > >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427044 > >>> > >>> I prefer the MM. > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> It would be interesting to see a comparison of the same picture done > a) > >>>> with a Monochrome and b) with an M9 and converted to B&W with the best > >>>> software, which I assume is probably not LR. > >>>> > >>>> Herbert Kanner > >>>> kanner at acm.org > >>>> 650-326-8204 > >>>> > >>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Friday I went to Samy's in Los Angeles where they had just > received > >>>>> their demo M. I was able to play with it for about 1-1/2 hours using > my > >>>>> lenses and SD card, but just inside the store in the Leica section. > >>>> What I > >>>>> noted was: > >>>>> > >>>>> Good: > >>>>> 1. The smoothness of the shutter is wonderful. No "kick" back on my > >>>>> finger, like in the M8 and to a lesser degree the M9. Buttery, quiet > >>>> and no > >>>>> noticeable lag. EXTREMELY impressed! > >>>>> 2. The averaging (matrix) metering mode works very well. I had it > on > >>>> the > >>>>> classic mode for some shots and the highlights were blown because > there > >>>> was > >>>>> a lot of black wall which metered gray. On the new "Advanced" mode it > >>>>> figured this out and I got a decent histogram. > >>>>> 3. The rangefinder is crisp and accurate. Lines were white for mine > >>>> and > >>>>> easy to see/use. > >>>>> 4. The files are bigger (duh) > >>>>> 5. The shutter response time, when not using live view/focus > peaking, > >>>>> seemed faster than the M9. It was certainly noticeably quieter. > >>>>> 6. With live view, when you turn the lens to focus, the live view > >>>> goes to > >>>>> the same magnification level (0, 5X or 10X) that you last used. > >>>>> 7. Live view, through the EVF, does show depth of field. > >>>>> 8. Nice LCD screen on the back, though I would not use it except to > >>>> see > >>>>> the histogram... > >>>>> 9. The camera feels very nice in your hands. Definitely a Leica M. > The > >>>>> thumb ridge is great. > >>>>> 10. Base plate is much sturdier; not tinny as on the M9. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not so good: > >>>>> 1. Focus peaking did not work for me on eyes. For portraits of non > >>>> moving > >>>>> folks, you can use live view to see your focus on the eyes, > >>>> etc.(especially > >>>>> magnified 5 or 10X) and also see your DOF, but no focus peeking > >>>> indicators > >>>>> showed where the focus was. > >>>>> 2. Live view does not magnify after turning the lens until after a > >>>> very > >>>>> noticeable pause; my guess is about 1 second. A real delay... > >>>>> 3. There is a noticeable shutter release lag when using live view. > >>>> VERY > >>>>> noticeable. From what I've read, the shutter is open for live view > and > >>>> must > >>>>> close and then fire. In rangefinder mode, as noted above, there is > >>>>> absolutely no lag. > >>>>> 4. ISO above 1600 (even 1/2 stop more at 2000) is not useful. Just > a > >>>>> really big difference between 1600 and 2000 to the dark areas showing > >>>> large > >>>>> blotches. > >>>>> 5. I had trouble finding how to set EV (I usually shoot at -1/3 > just > >>>> to > >>>>> ensure I don't blow highlights). Probably my lack of knowledge of the > >>>> menu > >>>>> system (which has changed), so most likely not the camera's fault... > >>>>> > >>>>> Conclusion: This camera is every bit an M with minor improvements > FOR ME > >>>>> over the M9, the biggest of which is the sensor size. Live view seems > >>>> to be > >>>>> made for movie making (which I did not test and would not use) or > >>>>> landscapes. Not for street/family shooting. The shutter is sweet. The > >>>> ISO > >>>>> performance minimally improved. Though I was excited about the > camera, > >>>>> especially using Live View with focus peeking to shoot my family and > >>>> street > >>>>> work, it basically is not usable, IMO, for that. The larger sensor > does > >>>>> nothing for me as this is not my landscape camera. Most likely when > my > >>>>> number comes up on various dealers' lists to buy the M, I won't. > >>>>> > >>>>> Of course I have specific uses for my Ms. For my needs, the > >>>> improvements I > >>>>> saw did not warrant the cost of a replacement for my M9. > >>>>> > >>>>> Then I tested a Monochrom... I'm trying not to think about what I > >>>>> experienced to save my marriage... > >>>>> > >>>>> Just thought I'd pass this along. Happy to answer any questions. > >>>>> Bob > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tina Manley > >>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tina Manley > >> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >