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Subject: [Leica] Is Eggleston in the right? What is the meaning of "limited edition"?
From: kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 18:42:48 -0500
References: <2C55998C-6C95-4A87-BB86-3E27ECAFC300@mac.com> <E984783F-6180-4751-842A-3AAAD99F78D5@gmail.com>

There was one painter (sorry, the name escapes me), who was notorious for
sneaking a small palette into museums hanging his work so he could add a
second thought or two.  As far as really limited, Cole Weston's son would
make a photo and dry-mount the negative on the back of the mat board.  Cole
thought it was crazy.  He was at the other end, cranking out large
Cibachromes from his 8x10 transparencies.  Regarding AA, I would be glad to
accept a Moonrise of any generation, original, clouds gone, crosses not
intensified, whatever, even if un-numbered.

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[mailto:lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Bob 
Adler
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:41 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Is Eggleston in the right? What is the meaning of
"limited edition"?

My understanding is that Adams ever numbered his prints. I think his
reasoning was, correctly IMO, that each print was improved upon over time. 

If I were to ever be able to sell enough I don't think I would sell editions
( though I have done that once or twice as you know Adam). Each time I print
an image again I find something I missed or have learned something new to
apply (including software upgrades that allow better processing). 

So I think limiteds are just a marketing scam...
Just my thinking, as requested!

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 8, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Adam Bridge <abridge at mac.com> wrote:

> I read this article over on Digital Photography Review about William
Eggleston's issuance of a large-format (44 x 60) ink-jet print set of a
previous limited edition dye transfer print (11 x 17).
> 
> He was sued by a collector who claimed that the new prints reduced the
value of his dye transfer prints which were "limited edition."
> 
> The judge found that Eggleston had created an "essentially different" work
from the same transparency and so was within his rights.
> 
> I'm uncomfortable with this and I've wrestled in my own mind about what
constitutes a "limited edition" in a digital world. I think we've talked
about it here.
> 
> I have a Robert Bateman lithograph that was produced in limited edition.
Now he sells the same print but as an inkjet print. My lithograph is worth
(given the current market) an order of magnitude more than the inkjet print
. . . but I have this strange feeling. If I owned the original oil that
Bateman produced I wouldn't feel this way: he could only make one of these -
at least not without a host of Chinese "starving" (perhaps literally)
artists doing duplicates.
> 
> I understand that many of Ansel's prints weren't made directly by Ansel
but by those under his supervision. But they were not mass produced. I have
the feeling that for every print that made it out of the darkroom there were
many "failures." Maybe I'm wrong. And I don't think Ansel claimed to do
limited editions although I could be completely wrong on this.
> 
> But now, when we work entirely in digital, when any number of copies can
be made at very small cost, does having a limited edition make any sense at
all? Would you destroy an original RAW file (for example) to guarantee that
you'd done a limited edition?
> 
> I'm left with a bad feeling. Maybe he wants a new M?
> 
> Anyway, am I off base here? What are your thoughts?
> 
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