Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/16
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Doubt it. For the MP, they still have to produce the camera. On 2013-03-15, at 12:33 PM, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > Come on Henning, Leica must make a lot more money on a Himalayan rat skin > covered 50 year anniversary MP Classic than hundreds of batteries :-) > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at > archiphoto.com>wrote: > >> Please, whoever feels this way keep buying Leica batteries. Leica needs >> the money. >> >> >> On 2013-03-15, at 1:42 AM, Cedric Agie <cedric.agie at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I would be interested by one or more pictures made from the dead >>> batteries you opened. >>> When opening the dead body, maybe you simply did not see a tiny device >>> i.e.a few mm or even less with two or more hairthin wires that can >>> also act as a fuse. >>> Since there is a 3rd contact in the battery and also inside the >>> charger, I have good reasons to think there is a form of protection >>> that could go unnoticed, certainly if the inside is inbedded in solid >>> plastic or even silicone. >>> >>> One PC and Laptoplaptop maker I know, a huge company known worldwide, >>> simply protects their Laptops with an elaborate printed circuit inside >>> the batterie wich also contains a special code. This code makes the >>> use of third party batteries simply impossible. Even some brands of >>> inkjet cartridges have a small microprocessor that controls and >>> regulates the level of the ink. If you refill them half way, you can >>> continue to work with it. If it reaches the end it warns you and you >>> cannot refill them anymore, unless you reprogram them with a connector >>> from the outside. Most known game, printer and cellphone makers use >>> the same tricks. I will give no names, see the media or make a walk >>> around the Interet. The inkjet trick was discovered and solved by a >>> Russion a few years ago. He gave all details of his reprogramming >>> systhem on the Internet and believe me it works. >>> >>> Its not only technology, it's also a commercial war. >>> They have good reasons to protect the customer indeed, but they also >>> protect their market. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Cedric >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/3/15 John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com>: >>>> Boeing wishes it had better batteries! >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/14/13 8:25 PM, Richard Man wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am speaking from real knowledge here: modern batteries do have >>>>> protection, embedded processors etc. It's true that some no-name brands >>>>> come from the same factories. It's also true that unscrupulous >>>>> manufacturers would wholesale copy expensive batteries, think xerox >> copy >>>>> but in the manufacturing sense and sell them much cheaper. They may >> work >>>>> as >>>>> well, or they may not, depending on how good the copy is. >>>>> >>>>> I usually do not need more than 2 batteries, no matter how hard I >> shoot. >>>>> So >>>>> I have 3, since I consistently misplace one of them. >>>>> >>>>> Since my camera is multi-thousands, the battery cost is the least of >> it, >>>>> so >>>>> I buy Leica's batteries. One less thing to worry about. None of them >> has >>>>> died. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I know its wrong but think of the battery as part of the "motor" of >> the >>>>>> camera. I know its wrong but I wonder if its wall wrong. There may be >> a >>>>>> tiny >>>>>> thread of insane non sensible truth to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Its always what you don't think. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's my motto. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/14/13 7:09 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is one of those long standing discussions. Some folks report >> good >>>>>>> experience with the much cheaper alternates and others not. >>>>>>> In this case Frank bought twelve and they have all died within two >>>>>>> years. >>>>>>> Some are prepared to pay much more for the Leica branded ones >> because >>>>>>> their assessment is that they should be more reliable and the extra >> is >>>>>>> acceptable for a 6 or $7000.camera and their photography That doesn't >>>>>> >>>>>> make >>>>>>> >>>>>>> them suckers. >>>>>>> Everyone will do their own sums on cost/performance. Why not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One of my originals (I have 3 in total) is about five years old, one >>>>>> >>>>>> about >>>>>>> >>>>>>> four and one three (new with my M9). All continue to work fine. >> Actually >>>>>>> Leica Camera suggests that 3 years is a reasonable life before >>>>>> >>>>>> replacement >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is recommended. >>>>>>> Lower output from old or non-genuine items was the factor that Leica >>>>>> >>>>>> Camera >>>>>>> >>>>>>> identified as contributing to card problems(write fails) with the M9, >>>>>> >>>>>> which >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is why the latest M9 firmware was introduced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *If you want to take more interesting pictures, >>>>>>> stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 March 2013 07:39, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Except that more often than not, the aftermarket batteries are made >> at >>>>>>>> exactly the same factory as the original ones. As someone said, a >>>>>> >>>>>> sucker is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> born every day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fro my Leica digital I used a Leica battery. >>>>>>>>> Fro my Nikon D whatever I used Nikon batteries. >>>>>>>>> I can tell you when the time ever comes for me to buy a seven >> thousand >>>>>>>>> dollar camera the last thing I'm going to do is go shopping for >> cheap >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> third >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> party batteries. I'll blow a few more hundred and get a couple more >>>>>>>>> batteries with a red dot on it. >>>>>>>>> This thread has come on this list several times and every seeing >> time >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> only person who seemed to hold this opinion was me. >>>>>>>>> Now I am feeling vindicated up the yin yang for the tables to have >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> turned. >>>>>>>>> The only way I've not won out is the fact that using the cheap >>>>>> >>>>>> batteries >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not seemed to have ruined any cameras. I'd have thought there was a >>>>>> >>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> chance that might happen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I read a book on batteries in photography once it was by the Aaton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> company >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> head engineer or guy own owned the company or both.. >>>>>>>>> A French company who made motion picture cameras and batteries. >>>>>>>>> Gave me a healthy respect for them. But since then the landscape >> has >>>>>>>>> changed. Its strewn with dead cheap batteries for one. ...Seeping >>>>>>>>> toxic >>>>>>>>> waste into the top soil or water underneath. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like expensive batteries. Silver ones. Light. Lith? >>>>>>>>> I say "give me the most expensive battery you got" then charge me >>>>>> >>>>>> double! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> Henning Wulff >> henningw at archiphoto.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > -- > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > Henning Wulff henningw at archiphoto.com