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Subject: [Leica] Canon doesn't see it quite like Mark
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:54:34 -0800
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Forrest" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Canon doesn't see it quite like Mark


> What Frank said.
> 
> Phil Forrest
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:00:23 +0000
> Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes Mark but you are -just- like Barnacks contemporary critics, never
>> accepting that a smaller format could ever produce acceptable results.
>> 
>> Well Leica proved them wrong, not as good as MF, 5x4 and 10x8
>> obviously, but entirely useable for reasonably sized prints and much
>> more convenient for use hand held, traveling, climbing etc.. Today
>> few people argue that MF digital sensors don't produce better results
>> (at least in bright light), but superb and totally acceptable results
>> in prints much bigger than Barnack would ever have believed possible
>> are being made in their billions by people using the smaller sensors
>> nowadays. Just like 35mm film displaced 120. Get used to it, you are
>> a dinosaur - just like all Barnack's critics back in the 1920s. FD
>> 
>> On 3 Feb, 2013, at 08:05, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Well Gary I think that there was a guy named Barnack who thought a
>> > lot of work could be done with a quality compact camera with a
>> > 24x36mm format. After much thought he didn't go with 24x18 as a few
>> > others in the time were going. Which was called "single frame" he
>> > went with "double frame" taking up twice the film in length an at
>> > the time  a bit of an unusual move. His hunch was proved right. It
>> > turned out that most of what you'd ever want to do could be done in
>> > that format for a hundred years later. There's really nothing
>> > arbitrary about it and its not a minor subject. As is its WAY more
>> > of an important issue that lenses. If the thread bores you please
>> > continue playing with your cameras which could come out of a box of
>> > crackerjacks and ignore the posts about eagerly waited for larger
>> > format compacts. Me I'll be not be totally happy until the first
>> > medium format compact comes out. An in effect:  digital Fuji folder
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 2/3/13 1:40 AM, "Gary Benson" <bensonga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> All these arguments over format size get very tiresome, very
>> >> quickly. Some people will think if any subject is worth shooting
>> >> at all, only 8x10 film will do.  Others are quite happy to shoot
>> >> with something else.
>> >> 
>> >> I really thing good photos can be made with any camera.....they
>> >> will just be "good" in different ways
>> >> 
>> >> I say.....pick the camera or format that works best for you and
>> >> your shooting requirements and leave the rest of us to do the same.
>> >> 
>> >> Gary
>> >> 
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>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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>> > 
>> > 
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