Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/01/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jan 23, 2013, at 4:28 AM, philippe.amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> wrote: > Le 23 janv. 13 ? 04:41, Mark Rabiner a ?crit : > >> Philippe Amard posted a shot he did with I think current 24-120 with I >> forgot which body on the lug in our last a few months ago heated >> discussion >> of the focal length range in Nikon. He shot it at 120 and then he said >> cropped a bunch. It was clear as a bell and had an airplane flying over >> head. There was a water. I think a boat.... Impressed the hell outa most >> everybody here and pretty much ended the thread with the idea that the >> lens >> actually does more than produce a viable image. >> >> > > Mark, > > I presume this is the one shot you're refering to (thanks for remembering > it BTW) > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Barcelona+2009_001/Surfin_+Barcelona-1297.jpg.html > > As to the crop and processing, here is the previous frame on the roll, FF > and unedited, straight from the tank. > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Playground/Out+in+the+Wild-1296.jpg.html > (click large to see what the obvious limits of the lens are, notably micro > contrast) > > Sometimes it looks sharp, > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Les+Gens/Enigma-5496-2.jpg.html > but the bokeh and distortion are so-so as with every nikon lens I've seen > through... > > Oly ZD glass performed much better in all respects; it was just the sensor > that triggered my drifting back to nikon. > > Morals: I own the lousiest of all 24-120's but I won't complain as it was > gifted with the D700, and I use it for its convenient range and weight. > > OTT Alice and I should be NYC third week of Feb, so on top of meeting us > if it pleases you, I could lend the lens to you for a live test. drop by Sacramento too please, Steve > > Amiti?s > Philippe > > > >> On 1/22/13 3:13 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: >> >>> Have a look at the January photo in the 2013 Nikon calendar. Ed >>> Masterson took >>> it on a D3 with 24-120 Nikkor. An exquisite shot! I have the first >>> version >>> that everybody says is awful and you cannot paint them all with the same >>> brush. I used it last night on my d700 and shots were very sharp. No >>> issues at >>> all. >> Scott >> >> On 2013-01-22, at 10:46 AM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >> >>> Well, then, let me clarify. The lens I have is 15 months old and is >>> the AF-S NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR with nano coating and mystical >>> genies in >>> it that must be asleep most of the time. And it was sent back to Nikon >>> about >>> 4 months ago for a look to see if they could make it actually work. >>> Came back >>> saying it was up to specs, so I guess it is the best they can make it. >>> I paid >>> $600 or so for my Leica 35/70 F/4 and $1300 for this think Nikon calls a >>> G >>> lens. G does not stand for "Good". >>> >>> Aram >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original >>> Message----- From: Mark Rabiner >>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 8:49 PM >>> To: >>> Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] (Now) Nikon 24-120 >>> >>> It just that >>> lens lens has existed in as many configurations as there are >>> days in the >>> week and it makes a big difference if people are specific as to >>> which one >>> they are referring to because they one they came out the >>> following year was >>> the difference between day and night and the one which >>> came out a year >>> after that ditto. >>> >>> The 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6 VR which came out in 2003 is a >>> famous looser. Way >>> soft all over. >>> As to me and many people 2003 feels like >>> the day before yesterday you could >>> easily have this lens and think you were >>> shooting with the current issue. >>> And you can see it sold as if its new now >>> for $669.99 . Used from $340.0. >>> And refurbished from $475.00 on Amazon. >>> (cue Tarzan) >>> people think they are still made. Maybe they are. >>> And there >>> were countless versions before this. >>> >>> The current offering is the AF-S >>> NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED VR lens. >>> Sometimes referred to as (the G lens) >>> A >>> totally re designed optic from the ground up and guess what? Nikon got >>> it> >>> more than right this time. >>> This lens came out 22nd September 2010 and has >>> nano nano crystal coating. >>> This version cost $1,299.95 according to this >>> thing: >>> >>> http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Camera-Lenses/2193/AF-S-NI >>> >>> KKOR-24-120mm-f%252F4G-ED-VR.html >>> Or >>> http://tinyurl.com/az7ev3x >>> >>> So >>> when people say "my Nikon 24-120 was good/bad" its rather meaningless. >>> Its >>> like saying "My meal in little Italy was good/bad" you have to say which >>> >>> restaurant and what time of the day it was. And what you ordered. >>> And what >>> the wait persons name was. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/21/13 10:52 PM, >>> "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Here are a few things I >>> don't like about mine. >>>> >>>> It is not well made. There is a lot of play in >>> the lens barrel, especially >>>> when zoomed out a bit. When it focuses, you >>> can see the image jump around >>>> in the viewfinder. Just very sloppy. >>>> >>>> >>> If you focus on something at a certain focal length, then zoom in or >>> out,>> >>> the focus shifts. It is not really what I would call a zoom, but rather >>>> >>> some variable focus lens from the 70's. Makes it just about impossible >>> to >>>> >>> use for night photography. Nothing to focus on, so either prefocus in >>>> >>> daylight at infinity, or use live view to focus on a bright star, but >>> the>> >>> every time you recompose by zooming, you need to refocus. >>>> >>>> The zoom >>> creeps very easily, so makes the above even harder if you tried to >>>> prefocus >>> at a specific focal length, as it can change so easily. >>>> >>>> At times I bet >>> some very sharp photos, but most of the time I let it sit in >>>> the camera bag >>> and use the Leica 35-70/4 unless I need autofocus or focal >>>> length greater >>> than about 90mm, because I can easily crop the Leica to get a >>>> sharper photo >>> than the Nikon at 120 >>>> >>>> And this lens is suppose to be gold banded and >>> much better than the original >>>> 24-120. >>>> >>>> I sent mine back to Nikon to >>> have it tightened up and it came back just >>>> about the same. >>>> >>>> Aram >>>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Howard Ritter >>>> Sent: Friday, January >>> 18, 2013 7:37 PM >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] (Now) Nikon >>> 24-120 >>>> >>>> Jayanand? >>>> >>>> May I ask what you didn't like about that new >>> 24-120? >>>> Other than the size, weight, and being less sharp toward the >>> corners at all >>>> focal lengths than the new (non-gold-banded) 24-85? >>>> >>>> >>> ?howard >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 17, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj >>> <jayanand at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I generally check out all lenses for at >>> least a couple of hours of use >>>>> before I buy - the only one I bought on >>> impulse recently, without testing, >>>>> the Nikon 24-120 f4 ended up being >>> resold in a couple of months. There is >>>>> a >>>>> lesson there...(-: >>>>> >>> Cheers >>>>> Jayanand >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:02 AM, >>> philippe.amard >>>>> <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The last two lenses >>> I bought came from local street shops, Phalsbourg & >>>>>> Metz :-) >>>>>> And >>> the last 2 cameras from the local FNAC. >>>>>> I find it so frustrating when you >>> can't manipulate the gear prior to >>>>>> punching the PIN code >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Amiti?s >>>>>> Philippe >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 17 janv. 13 ? 17:58, Jean-Michel Mertz a >>> ?crit : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've read most of the >>> posts concerning ebay and its potential dangers. I >>>>>>> think I might have an >>> idea. I have been using one single lens (the >>>>>>> collapsible elmar 50) for a >>> number of weeks now (+ M8) and I have come >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the conclusion that >>> this pair covers most of my needs. I do have another >>>>>>> lens (sum 35 asph) >>> but I seldom use it. I think this is probably >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> many other >>> luggers experience, this successful match between a photog, a >>>>>>> body and a >>> lens which often results in wonderful pictures being made. >>>>>>> See >>>>>>> the >>> use HCB made of his IIIg + 50mm. So, do we really need to have that >>>>>>> many >>> lenses and cameras since we all have our favourite gear? (I'm of >>>>>>> course >>> not talking of professional photogs!)Just an idea to beat ebay >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>> perhaps favour our local dealer - once every five years, for used and >>>>>>> >>> less >>>>>>> expensive gear!Jean-Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users >>> Group. >>>>>>> See >>>>>>> >>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug<http://leica-users.org/mailma >>>> >>>>>> n/listinfo/lug>for >>>>>>> more information >>>>>> >>>>>> One sees clearly only >>> with the heart. What is essential is invisible to >>>>>> the eye. 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What is essential is invisible to > the eye. Antoine de Saint Exup?ry in Le Petit Prince. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information