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Subject: [Leica] Lonely Tree
From: kanner at acm.org (Herbert Kanner)
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:07:07 -0800
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You're right, Ted. In part, it really was an experiment to see if anyone 
would notice the wires. I apologize for wasting everyones time. 

I must say, though, that the spot removal tool can do ok on removing 
longitudinal things if the background is right. I had a picture where three 
strands of a barbed wire fence were between me and a donkey. In front of the 
donkey, it was a grass background. Both areas behind the barbed wire had 
structure and a certain average uniformity: the grass and the donkey's hide. 
About a dozen applications of the spot removal tool created an undetectable 
removal. But you can't do that against sky with bits of cloud.

Herbert Kanner
kanner at acm.org
650-326-8204

Question authority and the authorities will question you.




On Jan 19, 2013, at 8:50 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Hi Herb,
> I didn't see the wires in the first image and they completely turn this 
> into a "File 13 waste basket image not worth spending time on!" :-( The 
> time to remove the wires is better having a single malt Scotch and 
> relaxing for an hour or so!
> 
> Pardon me for being so blunt! But quite simply? Why waste time trying to 
> make a sow's ear out of a pigs butt?
> 
> I think the bottom line is..... "As you looked on the scene with the trees 
> on either side, you only saw a single tree in the middle! OBVIOUSLY IT 
> STANDS OUT IN THAT FASHION! That's life and we have all done that in some 
> variation or other in similar scene situations. But the crossing hydro 
> lines/wires would've killed the shot right away on first look before you 
> went "click!"!
> 
> Sorry to put you through all this, particularly because the photo title 
> led me to believe and without looking in-depth............. it was 
> supposed to be a "single tree?" Of course the photo title creating a 
> situation for me to see all the trees and not notice the wires. :-(
> 
> Which goes to show, sometimes we don't look as close as we should before 
> commenting or critiquing? Titles can quite often lead us astray! :-(
> 
> cheers,
> ted
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Kanner" <kanner at acm.org>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Lonely Tree
> 
> 
>> I cropped the shot in accordance with Dr. Ted's suggestion. I don't like 
>> it as much as the original. From the size of the branching, it could be 
>> apparent in the original that the trees on each side are in the 
>> foreground, much closer than the lone one.
>> 
>> I didn't attempt to take out the phone wire in LR with the tool for 
>> removing spots. If you look closely at the original version, you'll see a 
>> pretty damn poor job of removing it. My wife offered to take it out in 
>> Photoshop Elements, but I decided not to bother.
>> 
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/herbk1/L1002763-2-2.jpg.html
>> 
>> Herbert Kanner
>> kanner at acm.org
>> 650-326-8204
>> 
>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Herbert Kanner wrote:
>> 
>>> OK Uncle Ted. I'll do a re-crop and see if it flies.
>>> 
>>> Herbert Kanner
>>> kanner at acm.org
>>> 650-326-8204
>>> 
>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:41 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> <tedgrant at 
>>> shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Herbert Kanner OFFERED:
>>>> Subject: [Leica] Lonely Tree
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/herbk1/L1002763-2.jpg.html<<<<<<<
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Herb,
>>>> Please, nothing personal...... it's a critique... my right or wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> Title?  Sometimes a title isn't worth the screen it's written on. As in 
>>>> this case of the "Lonely Tree?" It isn't a lone tree as you've composed 
>>>> the frame and what the title implies. You are close, but "close only 
>>>> counts in a game of Horse shoes. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 1/ If you shot this in a slim tall vertical format.......... center 
>>>> tree only with blue sky and some foreground?  It would have been a 
>>>> "Lonely tree." Purely in the singular and lonely aspect.
>>>> 
>>>> But in this case what wrecks the title and completely takes away from 
>>>> the photo simplicity of title and "single tree completely!" Are:
>>>> 
>>>> 1/ The street lamp post!
>>>> 2/ The tree, trees? on the right hand side even more so eliminating the 
>>>> "Lone Tree" aspect.
>>>> 3/ And over on the left side of frame another tree sticking into the 
>>>> frame!
>>>> 
>>>> Adding titles quite often take away from the impact of any photo. By 
>>>> the same token a "Major title fitting the content smack in ones face 
>>>> title also increases the over all visual impact of the photo itself." 
>>>> BUT?
>>>> 
>>>> No offense intended. May I suggest a re-crop and see what a difference 
>>>> it makes?   Maybe! One must always have a disclaimer attached! ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> cheers,
>>>> Dr. ted
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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