Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I managed to buy a Noctilux a few years back. And that was the amount. It was 8/28/2001 And in that same class of money I got a 90mm f2 Summicron M at another juncture. Some even on this list have declared that a hunk of glass on front of a camera is just not worth that much cash. Richard of instance. My dream lens a 120 f4 CFI Makro Planar T* came true for me at one point. And a 100mm f3.5 CFi Planar T* both for my Hasselblads. I so think its worth it to pay thousands for really good glass at some times. But I also think we can also work with glass costing chump change and do ok with it at other times. That's my point. Big buck glass. Small buck glass. Both are viable depending on the circumstance. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:14:08 +0000 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon 28-80 > > I think you will find that most (all?) on this list who have bought a D800 > model have paid extra for the D800E - as well as it being in the subject > line/original question. > > You have lost me on the $3495.00 lens bit > > john > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Also the fact that you are talking about the 800e not plain vanilla 800. >> >> That irony that I've spent $3495.00 on a lens but can fine hope and >> happiness >> with a lens on my camera I'd not be able to sell for $34.95 does not >> escape >> me. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> >>> That may not sound much difference, but believe me there are few >>> lenses that are up to 36MP.... have you shot with one yet? >>> >>> john >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> We do get lazy when all our results are 1200 pixels on the long side. >>>> But I am able to view these images as they are taken which is 4256 >>>> pixels with my D700. >>>> >>>> I've shot around 900 captures in two for me exotic locations in the >>>> past two weeks with my laptop down I've just seen them for the first >>>> time in the past few days. >>>> I'll post one on the Lug gallery if that's possible full size 4256 >>>> pixels and you can tell me what you think. >>>> I'm sure at 7360 pixels across on the long side they'd reveal more. >>>> Not sure it would be a deal maker or breaker or not. >>>> 7360 is what the d800 gives you. >>>> >>>> 4256 Vs 7360 pixels >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You may get a shock with some of your lenses if you were to shoot on >>>>> a D800E...... >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> For two solid weeks I've been shooting with a normal zoom nikon kit >>>>>> lens of the pervious film fueled decade. >>>>>> The Nikon 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6G >>>>>> >>>>>> On my D700 >>>>>> >>>>>> Straight from the dark side: >>>>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28-80mm-g.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> " The Nikon 28-80mm G is a dinky 7-ounce (190g) plastic zoom with >>>>>> incredibly good performance." >>>>>> " Incredible means unbelievable. The performance of this lens is so >>>>>> good that no one will believe it possibly can come from a lens this >> cheap." >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheap means 50 bucks. >>>>>> >>>>>> " The Nikkor 28-80mm G is one of Nikon's most popular lenses of all >> time. >>>>>> Nikon made over a million and a half of these, so you will find >>>>>> them everywhere. Mine came attached to an N55." >>>>>> >>>>>> I bought an N55 so I could get this lens. I used the camera once. >>>>>> >>>>>> " The front element is a compound aspherical. This means Nikon >>>>>> glues a thin plastic corrector over another spherical glass >>>>>> element, giving the performance of an aspherical lens at a low price" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:55:32 -0800 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's what I have gathered. But as you say, expensive, and >>>>>>> indeed >>>> heavy. >>>>>>> One of my prime considerations for lens choice is weight, as I >>>>>>> hike all over with them. They could be with me for 10 hours in a >>>>>>> day. I thought the >>>>>>> 35/70 was heavy at one time, but nothing compared to my current >>>>>>> Nikon >>>>>>> 24-120/4 I bought at the last minute to substitute for the 35/70 >>>>>>> when I dropped it and broke it a few weeks before a two month >>>>>>> trip, so I needed something. the 24/120 was lighter and smaller >>>>>>> than the >>>>>>> 24-70/2.8 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aram >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: <grduprey at mchsi.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:54 PM >>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aram, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will try to do it this weekend. However, I can tell you the >>>>>>>> 24/70 >>>>>>>> f2.8 is a real gem of a lens. Fast focussing, quiet and sharp. >>>>>>>> Also expensive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Gene >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:01:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >>>>>>>> Central >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would love to see the 35/70 R vs the 24/70 N. I am considering >>>>>>>> the D600, but will have to replace my Nikon DX 10-24 with >> something. >>>>>>>> In looking at what Nikon has to offer for FF in that range, I >>>>>>>> cringe at every review when they talk about the massive amount of >>>>>>>> distortion, or the edge performance. >>>>>>>> That seems to be universal for zooms with Nikon and Canon and >> xxxx. >>>>>>>> But I have never noticed much with the 35/70 R. But have never >>>>>>>> done any objective tests. Hope you have the time to make this >>>> comparison. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aram >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: grduprey at mchsi.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:50 PM >>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No I have not seen any comparisons of the DMR and D800E. Can't >>>>>>>> comment on the D800, but I do have a D4, and just off the top, >>>>>>>> the DMR does a fair job against the D4 for an 8? year old design. >>>>>>>> Although I have not made a side by side comparison of images. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> D4 kills the DMR when it comes to high ISO, and kills just about >>>>>>>> anything else in that category. The D4 is very waterproof, from >>>>>>>> recent experience, where the DMR may not be as good, as I keep it >>>>>>>> out of the rain when I am not shooting, but it has not had any >>>>>>>> glitches when it did get wet, but I worry about the motor to >>>>>>>> camera interface not being too water tight. They are both heavy, >>>>>>>> pretty close actually, the DMR on the R8 is a bit shorter than the >>>>>>>> D4. >>>>>>>> Turn on is much slower with the DMR, and so is write speed. The >>>>>>>> buffer on the DMR is very small, where the D4 buffer is vast and >>>>>>>> you can shoot rapidly with no problem of the camera slowing down >>>>>>>> (great for bird in flight photos), although i would bet Doug >>>>>>>> would out do it with the DMR and a single click ;). The R8DMR is >>>>>>>> a bit quieter, noise wise, but the D4 beats the D800 or D700 by >>>>>>>> light years in this area. I prefer the simplicity of the DMR >>>>>>>> controls over those of the D4, although the D4 controls are well >>>>>>>> laid out, when compared to earlier Nikon DSLRs, and definitely >>>>>>>> better than Canon DSLRs. You can get >>>>>>>> D4 batteries, where the DMR batteries are rarer than Hen's Teeth, >>>>>>>> and must be rebuilt or use an external source if you cannot get >>>>>>>> them rebuilt. The charge also lasts way longer than the DMR's >>>>>>>> batteries, although they are not cheap by any measure. The auto >>>>>>>> focus on the D4 is simply AMAZING! It locks on very fast and no >>>>>>>> hunting at all, even in low light, MF with the D4 and older MF >>>>>>>> Nikkors is very good also, as it has a bright view finder (but >>>>>>>> not as quite as bright as the R8 I think). MF on the DMR is >>>>>>>> getting a bit slow with my 64 year old eyes, but still works good >>>>>>>> in most light levels. Build for both is excellent, but would give >>>>>>>> the D4 a bit of a nod here, due to the previously mentioned motor >>>>>>>> to camera body interface of the DMR. I will go out this weekend >>>>>>>> and do a side by side image test of the two, probably with the >>>>>>>> 180/2.8 MF Nikkor, and the 180/3.4 R APO lenses (Similar vintage >>>>>>>> lenses), don't have any other similar lenses to compare. But >>>>>>>> could do a comparison of my 35~70R zoom and my 24~70 AF-S Nikkor >>>>>>>> zoom. Any thing I have not covered, that you would like to know? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CHEERS, >>>>>>>> Gene >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> >>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:22:20 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >>>>>>>> Central >>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone seen a comparison of the DMR and the Nikon D800E? >>>> Using >>>>>>>> Leica glass, of course. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank Filippone >>>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information