Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I've enjoyed this discussion, especially when it prompted Peter's 11-point letter. Leica is undoubtedly poring over this with a (German-made) fine-tooth comb, saying about our suggestions for improvements and our wish lists and dream Leicas, "No zey do not NEED zat, und vee vill not DO it." Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Subject: [Leica] Leica in the LUG Date: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 1:25 pm Steve I think your comment regarding members being 'self indulgent' discussing new Leica equipment was unreasonable. What is the LUG for if not discussions on camera equipment and photography? In fact I was only attempting to introduce a new discussion on Leica equipment. The L. I enjoyed Peter's list predicting the stages of arrival of a new Leica model. Your number 11 is obviously aimed at me. I promise that I have no coercive or corrupting powers ;-) Some list members are interested in the forthcoming products. Just filter what you want to read, as I think most of us do. Cheers, Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman On 29 November 2012 23:24, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com> wrote: > > > Geoff: You're not alone. I am interested. I really am. But: > > > > 1. The M (240) is not yet available. > > 2. When it becomes available, it will only be available to the folks > that pre-ordered it. > > 3. Then it will become unavailable again. > > 4. The usual Web sites will publish glowing articles an how bleeping > incredible the camera is and how no serious photographer could possibly > live without it. > > 5. The other usual Web sites will publish snarky articles about how the > camera takes OK pictures, but nothing you couldn't do with a much more > versatile midrange C or N, about how it's neck jewelry for the "1%," and > about how they're not sure how Leica can still exist, even though it does. > > 6. Someone on the Internet will find something seriously wrong with it. > > 7. There will be several weeks/months of debate on whether the above > complainer used proper methodology, whether it's really a problem, and > whether Leica will survive the outrage. > > 8. Leica will fix whatever problem was found. > > 9. The camera will become available again. > > 10. Something Later and Newer will capture the attention of the > photographic hive mind. > > and don't forget... > > 11. months before it's available, someone will tell you that they are > getting one, that it's worth it, and that it's the greatest thing since > sliced bread. > > > > It's somewhere between Steps 8 and 10 that I will consider whether the > new M might improve my photography sufficiently that it would be worth > selling a bunch of stuff and depleting my retirement savings to buy it. If > it would, I may bite. If not, I might upgrade to an M9 that a new M > purchaser is unloading. Meanwhile, I'm reading everything I can about the > new M. I'm hoping the new sensor puts it in the same high ISO ballpark as > the better DSLRs and the Fuji X-Pro 1. I'm optimistic that it will still > show the character of those incrediblishe lensen vee love zo much (mit > apologies to Jon Streeter :-) > > > > In the meantime, I continue to shoot with my M8 (remember them?). And > also with an un-Leica with very modern technology (Oly OM-D E-M5) for the > things that a rangefinder and digital Leicas don't do as well. > Unfortunately, that includes ISOs of over 800. > > > > Knock wood, I can still focus an RF at one year shy of 60, and it's > still my preferred way of working. If I had money to burn, I would already > own an MM--I love B&W, and it does beautiful high ISO. And if hard times > hit and I had to sell all my toys but a few, I'd keep my M6 and a 50 > Summicron, and shoot whatever fast B&W film was out there. > > > > So, can I stay? :-) > > > > --Peter > > > > Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > >> Am I alone in being also interested in the forthcoming new Leica cameras > >> here? Post activity sometimes seems to be anything but Leica > >> My delete key is wearing out prematurely ;-) > >> Paradigm shifts, Fujis, Sonys, DXO whatever,.... can't tell the > >> difference.....a new crop of why product X or S is better than the M9, > >> three years after the M9 actually came out and it is discontinued now > >> anyway. > >> The M typ 240 will be a huge evolution. Mine's on order. I guess we > have > >> no S system owners at all? but that new model is also evolving a great > deal. > >> At least the Monochrom is of interest and that one really is a "paradigm > >> shift" > >> Jeesh! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Geoff > >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information