Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The "Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9" comparison is a modern CMOS sensor against an almost antique though revered CCD. And even through the CMOS is of a smaller format to the CCD it gives it a run for its money why? Its a more modern camera. A moot point as the M9 is no longer made. Its not going to give the New Leica M a run for its money not by a long shot. Its not a case of "get I cant afford a real 7 grand Leica M but this $800 cropped body does the trick". And its not going to give the full frame more compact and full frame Sony RX1 a run for it is money. And that's the more interesting comparison. Fuji X 100 versus Sony RX1. And the issue is not that the full frame RX1 makes for better images as obviously its a full frame camera. Its not that the images make the cropped camera images not viable. The issue is why is this 1.5 crop camera so big? Its way bigger than the full frame RX1 with a smaller sensor. Its maybe a tad smaller than a Leica M8. If they're going to make smaller than full frame compacts they are going to have to be truly pocketable. What the RX1 has done is not made the crop cameras not viable. Its made the camera bodies look big. Its made them the camera bodies to be a more proper size for their sensors. And the new, called pro compacts before the RX1 cameras have got to be smaller than the full frame compacts which will be quickly following the RX1. They have to not almost fit in your pocket like an RX1 does. They have to fit in your jeans pocket. Again cropped format photography is viable. The results we get from those cameras compact or DSLR are viable. But the camera bodies these sensors are encased in have to be shrunk way smaller than they are now. The are going to have to put way more though (engineering and design into it) And I think its the RX1 which has shown us that. After they Rollei 35 and Oly XA how many half frame camera came out at twice the size? Twice the size and half the real estate? Zero I think. Why put a half frame camera not quite in your pocket when you can put a full frame camera in that pocket. The same will hold forth for digital cameras in the next two years. If they're going to make smaller than full frame compacts they are going to have to be truly pocketable. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:42:42 -0500 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9 > > Jumping Jack Flash, its a gas ! > > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:18:59 -0600 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9 >> >> There's flash, and then there's FLASH! >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9 >> >> >>> Wrong guy half my work is with flash at least before digital. >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:51:06 -0800 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9 >>>> >>>> Mark, if you just go to http://richardmanphoto.com, the home page >>>> slideshow >>>> is either M9 or the XPan. You can tell easily: pano is XPan, non pano is >>>> M9. >>>> >>>> Oh wait, that's right, you don't like flash. Sorry. OK, here are some >>>> links >>>> I posted here in the last few months: >>>> >>>> Nitt Witt Ridge, Cambria >>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121112-L1017378-Edit.jpg >>>> my first mag cover: >>>> http://www.bbimedia.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=42_56&;>>>> p >>>> ro >>>> ducts_id=543 >>>> >>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/Beach-2012-S/content/images/large/L1017052.>>>> j >>>> pg >>>> >>>> Not quite Manhattanhenge: >>>> http://www.richardmanphoto.com/PICS/L1016364.jpg >>>> >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> My "Voice of the 99%" Leica M9 images have won Merit Awards in the B&W >>>> Magazine, and 2nd Place in the Soho Gallery in NYC Annual competition >>>> etc. >>>> Those and $3.50 get me a cup of chai at Starbucks. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Mark Rabiner >>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can we see a URL on some m9 shots Richard I've looked at your site an >>>>> cant >>>>> find them the only shot I know you did with the camera was Brians >>>>> birthday >>>>> pic. I'm sure you're great with the camera and would love to see them. >>>>> >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photography >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:22:32 -0800 >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9 >>>>>> >>>>>> No offense to Tina, for every stock photographer that makes money with >>>>>> Leica, there are 10 billions that use Canikon. >>>>>> >>>>>> For every photojournalist that cut their teeth with a Leica M3 or M6, >>>>> there >>>>>> are gazillions that use Nikanon. >>>>>> >>>>>> You count all the photos hanging on galleries or all the stock photos >>>>> right >>>>>> now, most of them are not done with Leica equipments. >>>>>> >>>>>> A Leica M 240 will not do any good in the hands of someone who does >>>>>> not >>>>>> understand the light and composition, bokeh be damn. >>>>>> >>>>>> Me? The M9 is my go to camera. For other people, who am I to tell them >>>>> that >>>>>> my set of 'luxes are the finest picture taking lens ever. Well, at >>>>>> least >>>>>> for dinky 35mm size. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chances are I will pick up a 4x5 to go with my 617 at some point and >>>>>> my >>>>>> $500 lens will eat the lunch off the $10,000 Noctilux... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:16 AM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A very interesting topic and conversation. I can only offer from >>>>> experince >>>>>>> of shooting for magaines, wire services, commercial clients, Ad >>>>>>> agencies >>>>>>> and any number if various clients. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only once was there a question. The assignment required shooting on >>>>>>> 4X5 >>>>>>> size film. I showed them a number of 35 Kodachromes shot wth Leicas. >>>>> AND? >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They said .... "OK go with your gear it will work perfectly!" :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> Dr. ted :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Lottermoser" < >>>>> imagist3 at mac.com> >>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:59 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2012, at 11:38 AM, jon.streeter wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A friend of mine told me in the '70s that art directors didn't take >>>>>>>>> photographers seriously unless they were shooting with Nikons, >>>>> Hasselblads, >>>>>>>>> and a few other well-known brands. I never worked with an art >>>>> director, so >>>>>>>>> I took his word for it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Greg Rubenstein" <gcr910 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Simple explanation for all this tech and test stuff: use the right >>>>> tool >>>>>>>>> for what you're trying to accomplish regardless of brand. You know >>>>> what >>>>>>>>> works for you -- and your clients, who hire vision and results, not >>>>> brands >>>>>>>>> and data sheets. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> both statements have proven true in my experience. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Art directors" hire "talent" >>>>>>>> More often than not the "best talent" use the "best tools" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sometimes the art directors (and their agencies and clients) can't >>>>> afford >>>>>>>> the best talent. >>>>>>>> they then try and hedge their bets by specifying that at least "the >>>>>>>> talent" use "the best tools." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/**imagist < >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See >>>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug< >>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman >>>>>>>> /listinfo/lug>for more information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See >>>>>>> http://leica-users.org/**mailman/listinfo/lug< >>>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/ >>>>>>> listinfo/lug>for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information