Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Except that we are not talking full frame sensor camera genericlly, we are talking about the Sony RX compact. All cameras have design compromises and the Sony is too little, too late, and too expensive. Btw, a number of magnum photographers shoot with m4/3 and even iPhone as their 2nd camera. Frankly, they do not care whether it's full frame or what, as long as it produces the results they want. On Nov 12, 2012 7:47 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > I would hate to disturb you from you personal slamming diatribes that > you've > got all worked out to the fact that you do knee jerk slams whenever you see > any of my posts and don't bother reading them its not about the issues of > which we are speaking but making personal just against me personally. > But a basic axiom of photography which believe it or not is the issue at > hand. > You want to shoot a mural for the wall of grand central station a Minox is > not your first choice but as large a format as you've got accesses to. > If you are doing thumbnail sized jpegs for a website that sure use a pinky > nail sensor. > That's all that's meant but the very basic and never before today > questioned > axiom of final output being a defining factor of photographic technique. > > But we're not talking about that are we we are just slamming me personally! > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:03:33 +0530 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. > > > > Mark, > > If only you had hands on experience on what you prattle on about, I would > > take you a lot more seriously. As it is, as far as I am concerned, you > are > > a humorous aside on the list, considering the fact that you have not even > > lifted any camera that you are so eager to expound on, nor seen any > output > > on which to base your flights of fancy, whether for the positive or the > > negative. Who can ever take you seriously, except at their own risk? Of > > course you suffer from Confirmation Bias, you talk yourself into > believing > > your own mythical positions! I suggest you give this book a good read and > > ruminate on it for a bit for your own good: > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374275637/ref=la_ > > B001ILFNQG_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352734206&sr=1-1 > > > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> Actually Jayanand and Gerry the fact that photography is output > defined is > >> not really my little quirky opinion here that I came up with after two > cups > >> of coffee but a basic piece of photo teaching and technique since day > one > >> and has been discused on the lug for a decade as a starting point of > fact > >> that no ones ever thought to contest as to do so would be pure idiocy. > >> You sit down in your first photo class put your smart phones away the > >> teacher takes attendance and then says "first of all photography is an > >> output dependent thing". > >> " Confirmation Bias" is an exciting bit of rhetoric you've dug up it > simply > >> has nothing at all do do with my post which I doubt you'd even read. > >> > >> > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photography > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >> > >> > >>> From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> > >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:26:39 +0000 > >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. > >>> > >>> Absolutely! > >>> > >>> Gerry Walden > >>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or > >>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 > >>> www.gwpics.com > >>> > >>> On 12 Nov 2012, at 02:48, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I am amazed at the amount of Confirmation Bias rampant on the list! > (-: > >>>> It is an exceedingly dangerous mindset.... > >>>> Cheers > >>>> Jayanand > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at > >>>> rabinergroup.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Your whole photo deal is output defined. > >>>>> If all you're doing is uploading jpegs which are a few hundred pixies > >>>>> across > >>>>> then its not really worth it to spend a lot of money on good camera > >> bodies > >>>>> with larger sensors and glass. You can use a point and shoot with a > >> smaller > >>>>> sensor than 1.5 or 2x crop. If you are somehow making it so people > can > >>>>> download large files from your work then its up a notch. And Printing > >>>>> brings > >>>>> out the worst and best about your gear. So if you have a print > >> portfolio, > >>>>> you hang shows or otherwise you print a lot its worth it to be very > >>>>> selective about your gear. > >>>>> And I doubt there's going to be a better way to go then with a Leica > M > >> no > >>>>> number afterward and farily current Leica glass. > >>>>> Leica S though is going to be a big notch up from that. > >>>>> Would love to see direct comparisons between the same subject matter > >> shot > >>>>> with both systems. > >>>>> S and M. ( get it!?) > >>>>> And Leica M against canon and Nikon DSLR'S that everyone else is > >> shooting. > >>>>> > >>>>> I cant wait to see my first Leica M movie. Shot with Summicrons. > >>>>> Reminds me of the taste of wild hickory nuts.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>>> Photography > >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:18:41 -0800 > >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We should bring our Leicas and Fuji's to the burning and then > compare > >>>>> prints!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at > >>>>>> frozenlight.eu> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> You are a heretic, to be burned at the stake. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Nathan (who owns an M8 and an X100) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman > >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain > >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> YNWA > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:24 PM, jon.streeter wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is this why X100 images compare favorably with those from digital > M > >>>>> when > >>>>>>>> seen on line, or is it because images viewed on line really can't > be > >>>>> seen in > >>>>>>>> enough detail to-be judged? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- > >>>>>>>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> > >>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. > >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:12 am > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mark. Back in film days, the Leica quality was always with the > >> lens. > >>>>> All > >>>>>>>> cameras could shoot the same film and vary the exposure the same > >> way. > >>>>> The > >>>>>>>> lenses made the difference. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now, with digital, there is one more variable between cameras. > The > >>>>> sensor > >>>>>>>> and firmware replace the universally available film. Leica has to > >> get > >>>>> that > >>>>>>>> part at least as good as the competition for the lenses to make > the > >>>>>>>> difference again. Hope they can do it with the M and CMOS. They > >> are > >>>>>>>> competing with the big boys who have big bucks and lots of years > of > >>>>>>>> experience. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Aram > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> On 11 Nov, 2012, at 00:47, Mark Rabiner <mark at > >>>>>>>>> rabinergroup.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I don't think any of them will really come close though. > >>>>>>>>>> They'll be smaller and lighter then an M. But the image quality > >> will > >>>>> of >> > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> M will be plainly visible. > >>>>>>>>>> Glaringly visible up from an APS- C camera. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>>>>>>>> Photography > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >