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Subject: [Leica] Times Photographer Is Arrested on Assignment in NY
From: ricc at embarqmail.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:30:34 -0400
References: <CC457C79.220D9%mark@rabinergroup.com> <20120806152412.7d75a430@linux-mh41.site>

So having our rights denied is being done for our own good?

I feel much better now.

ric


On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Phil Forrest wrote:

> This will continue because there has been no case that has appealed to
> a higher court and no court that is willing to try a case that deals
> with rights we already have specifically enumerated in both state and
> US Constitutions. 
>> From a law enforcement point of view, this is an obstruction of justice
> matter. From a press point of view it is a First Amendment matter. 
> As long as we have a robust justice system that respects the First
> Amendment we are protected. We are NOT specifically protected from
> harassment by law enforcement if the issue is a law enforcement one.
> If cases like these were to go to a higher court there is the risk of
> our rights being further restricted so as long as we have a right to
> appeal the obstruction of justice charges and get them dropped (and
> every one has been dropped in the city of New York) our system is
> working. The only thing that might help would be more training for law
> enforcement officers.
>> From my point of view, as someone who has worked in law enforcement
> with the Navy, I completely understand the position of LEOs who are
> wanting to remove all variables from a tense, possibly violent and
> dangerous situation. Sometimes the press doesn't need closer access to
> some scenes due to danger and the dynamic environment. A journalist is
> also a person that the LEOs must protect in such situations so the
> further complication detracts from them doing their job.
> These are always cases with lots of nuance and the press is usually
> very quick to point fingers at law enforcement but the law enforcement
> point of view in-situ is never known but should be considered before
> the LEO is condemned.
> 
> Phil Forrest
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:51:53 -0400
> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/nyregion/robert-stolarik-times-photographe
>> r-is-arrested-while-on-assignment-in-the-bronx.html?_r=1&nl=nyregion&emc=edi
>> t_ur_20120806    or
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/d3mkqbz
>> 
>> 
>> Not good news.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> 
>> 
>> 
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