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Subject: [Leica] Editing on an iPad (bus, or plus bus...)
From: john at chiaroscuro.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:28:31 +1200
References: <000a01cd679d$fde4f760$f9aee620$@chiaroscuro.co.nz> <CC30BFDC.21772%mark@rabinergroup.com>

?? I assume that was a slight against me? Although I was a bit confused by
the syntax of the double negatives ;-)

Why do I want to spend hours in PS if I do not need to? I shot Kodachrome
and Velvia for years so I have become used to getting things right in
camera. Please suggest where any of my PAW this week would be improved by
tweaking in PhotoShop.....

john

-----Original Message-----
I've never met a photo person who's level of craft was close to zero who was
not as proud of it as you are.

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:07:33 +1200
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing on an iPad (bus, or plus bus...)
> 
> I put 25 Leica M9 images on my PAW this week (and another 16 on the 
> 50mm comparisons), I work on an 8-core MacPro with a calibrated 30" 
> screen. For those of us who use DRM/M8/M9 cameras can guess how long 
> it took to tweak/push/prod/tone/adjust them into acceptable quality 
> images. Do you want to know what I have to do to my images to make 
> them look good (modesty aside ;-))? Not a single thing, import into 
> Lightroom, caption and export as web site - no 
> tones/brightness/sharpening or tweaking modification is needed..... I 
> have never done more than 1/2 stop exposure correction or a crop to any of
my M9 images.
> 
> john
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> But the other side of the editing coin is the tweaking.
> The processing it gets called. Photoshopping. Tone balancing.
> I call it lots of times "crunching". But its not good to have ones own 
> words for things I'm sure.
> And doing that on a mini device to me is really a thing which 
> contrasts greatly against the high end cameras and lenses we are 
> using. As it really seems to indicate one don't give a rats ass about 
> ones work. In this case the work, the final result that someone sees.
> But we can spend hours doing that can't we why cant see do it while 
> sitting in a caf? staring at our compact mobile device?
> Because hopefully we are not total idiots.
> That's those of use to bother tweaking our images at all. I'm seeing 
> plenty could not be bothered. We're looking at jpegs right out of 
> their camera untouched by human hands or back from the scanner who does
the whole roll.
> It would mean lifting ones pinky finger wouldn't it?
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
>> 
>> If your asking me I'd say it looks like you've got the thing under
> control.
>> I'm just talking about deleting a bunch of valid images while sitting 
>> at a sidewalk caf? zipping through the images on a  little hand held 
>> screen. A darned shame if you ask me.
>> I'd do most of the editing where you can concentrate and have a 
>> better viewing experience. Certainly I've sat on the subway or bus 
>> and deleted some images off a card by looking at them in the back of 
>> my camera. Zooming in to see if they're soft. If there's any question 
>> I'd leave it on the card and wait till I can later see it better.
>> Also when I'm going through them here I can delete the total bloopers 
>> but the important thing is to RATE them. One to five stars. The five 
>> starred ones with a yellow tag are the ones you'd see on my Lug 
>> gallery and maybe some other places. Even my 5x7 print box in my side
bag.
>> 
>> My Friday flower I posted yesterday was a sleeper. Though I shot 
>> plenty of flowers in the past weeks none of them did much for me. I 
>> spent some real time assessing them last night. After a half hour of 
>> looking through all my
>> 2012 keyworded "Flowers" shots I found the shot I ran which was shot 
>> in mid March at 6 AM. It only had 3 stars on it before! That I call a 
>> sleeper as I'm super happy about the way its looking on the LUG 
>> gallery
> right now etc.
>> a shot which I didn't even know for five months was there.  17 people 
>> have seen it and its not been up more than 24 hours I call that 
>> pretty
> good.
>> 
>> A huge most valued part of ones photo work flo is taking the time to 
>> see what you've got. Rating and keywording them with a lot of
> consideration.
>> 
>> I'm betting that its not all that uncommon just like in the days of 
>> slides in  yellow boxes which get put in the closet; of people who 
>> can't be bothered with their output.
>> Pictures are fun!
>> Sure cameras are fun but pictures are funner.
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:12:20 +1200
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing on an iPad (bus, or plus bus...)
>>> 
>>> You were saying about Netbooks and I am saying that is no good for a 
>>> Mac user (although I do have a Dell 9 running OSX 10.6.2). You seem 
>>> to be jumping between email/web type stuff which an iPad can do to 
>>> laptops which are bigger/heavier but can do more. I have a 17"
>>> MacBook Pro (as well as a
>>> workstation) but would not dream of taking it on holiday with me. I 
>>> will be in Europe for 5 weeks in a couple of months, what is your 
>>> suggestion for coping with 10s GBs of photos I expect I will take? I 
>>> have +100Gb of SD cards, do you suggest that I buy more and keep 
>>> them until I get home? Not download them anywhere and I may find an 
>>> issue, or excessive dust on the sensor, or the cards have become 
>>> corrupt or..... For me that is single point of failure and I can 
>>> keep them on a card but also on my Air and an external drive. For a 
>>> lesser time, or travelling light, that is where an iPad came in as 
>>> per the original
> query.
>>> 
>>> Goalposts seem to keep moving.....
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> You'd have a Mac Pro Quad core back in your dorm room with a 
>>> calibrated screen. Or maybe a full sized laptop hooked up to a nice 
>>> big screen; and that would be me. With two extra hard disks hooked 
>>> up to
> it.
>>> 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> 
>>>> And if you are a Mac user with $$$$ worth of pro-class 
>>>> Adobe/CaptureOne etc software?
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> Half the kids at Columbia and NYU appear to be using Acer's now at 
>>>> the starbucks and better coffee shops. Its really impressive to see 
>>>> those little laptops and know that it would be no problem to have 
>>>> them with you all day without making you have to carry a full back 
>>>> pack with like with a regular laptop. The keyboards are not so 
>>>> compact as to your not able to type out papers with them. And the 
>>>> screen seems to be
>>> plenty clear enough.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have the Acer Aspire One.   It's a tiny little thing but works great
>>> for
>>>>> travel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Akhil Lal <alal at poly.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Tina,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which model do you have?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Akhil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My tiny little Acer netbook can handle LR and PS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:37 AM, John McMaster
>>>>>> <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I really think that you are not understanding this. Nobody is 
>>>>>>> saying that the iPad will be their only computer, just it is 
>>>>>>> small/light for travelling with and is there software to allow 
>>>>>>> basic cataloguing/editing of Leica shots with it.... If using a 
>>>>>>> full blown laptop, I like others chose a Mac Air, then there is 
>>>>>>> no
>>> issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> john
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm talking about maybe our photography which we sweat about 
>>>>>>> buying exclusive Leica gear for is too important to be editing 
>>>>>>> with trendy hand held gadgets. Maybe we can put them down for a 
>>>>>>> few minutes and enjoy the scenery - talk the the person next to 
>>>>>>> us. And when we get back to your hotel/motel edit our photo's on 
>>>>>>> a laptop. On a screen where we can see our images.
>>>>>>> I find the never ending search for more ways to spend even a 
>>>>>>> higher percentage of our waking hours than 80 percent at a tiny 
>>>>>>> hand held screen ridiculous. Perfect perhaps for the Sony point 
>>>>>>> and shoot list but for the Leica list I just want more.
>>>>>>> Put the damn PDA down for a minute.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There seems to be a direct reverse correlation between how much 
>>>>>>> money people spend on a camera and how much time and effort and 
>>>>>>> money they want to spend dealing with their pictures later.
>>>>>>> If this was the Linhof list we'd be talking about editing our 
>>>>>>> output on our decoder pinky rings.
>>>>>>> Big camera small editing screen. It all balances out perhaps.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think we'd all be better off with cheaper cameras and a better 
>>>>>>> workflo with premium software to do it with.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do you know what you are talking about?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> john
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You are missing my point. Why edit on an Ipad when you can do 
>>>>>>>> so with an IPhone?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You are missing the point, Mark. This discussion is about 
>>>>>>>>> tools for the
>>>>>>>> iPad.
>>>>>>>>> Lightroom is not available on that platform. Sometimes even a 
>>>>>>>>> laptop is too big and too heavy, for example next week when I 
>>>>>>>>> will be touring Jutland on bicycle for several days.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm always amazed after spending tens of thousands on the 
>>>>>>>>>> most exquisite glass and bodies from sunny Germany we can 
>>>>>>>>>> never find software cheap enough to edit them with.
>>>>>>>>>> Aperture or Lightroom are already configured for people who's 
>>>>>>>>>> commitment to photographic wonderfulness is not exactly the
issue.
>>>>>>>>>> What are we looking for now shareware or freeware?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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