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Subject: [Leica] Some technical speculations re: rangefinder
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 02:07:26 -0700
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Ha ha, you missed Nathan's rant on slipping in photos in the middle of
non-related thread!

Or, is it,....

Well Played Sir!

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
gmail.com>wrote:

> Geesh! Just tried to link to some cool new photos with my Messsucher ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
>
> On 21 July 2012 18:55, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>
> > That's fine.
> >
> > If you don't want to play "wouldn't this be cool" game, that's fine. No
> > need to invoke Uncle Ted, I take and post as many photos as anyone else.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > >From your options A and B, I choose C. I don't think the current
> > > arrangements should be altered for the next M.
> > > I feel Ted's influence calling now... here's some photos instead ;-)
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/cp
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21 July 2012 18:24, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Geoff, which part of what I wrote is not a rangefinder?
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <
> hopsternew at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wot I have now! When I do my part it's perfect.
> > > > > Wish away for another product line,  but M is for Messsucher.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21 July 2012 18:07, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, lets ask it this way, assuming money is not an issue, would
> > you
> > > > > > rather have a CMOS/liveview system, or something like what I
> wrote?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <
> > > > hopsternew at gmail.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > When you design it, I'm sure that Leica Camera will take a
> > look;-)
> > > > > > >  For now just swallow a teaspoon of concrete and .....
> > > > > > > ;-) ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 21 July 2012 17:05, Richard Man <
> richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Speculating on an ideal optical rangefinder system (i.e.
> > > something
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > retains the Leica M DNA and yet improves on the 1950 state of
> > the
> > > > art
> > > > > > > M3),
> > > > > > > > what if a rangefinder has the following features:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - LED projected framelines. This removes the clutter, solves
> > the
> > > > > > > visibility
> > > > > > > > issue, and
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - changeable rangefinder magnification - what if the
> > rangefinder
> > > > has
> > > > > > > 0.58x
> > > > > > > > to 1.2x mag builtin (may be in 4 steps: 0.58x, 0.72x, 0.9x
> and
> > > 1.2x
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > something similar)? This would allow more precise focusing
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > wide
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > tele. This will leverage the existing frame line trigger and
> 6
> > > bit
> > > > > > coding
> > > > > > > > system of course so this would be automatic
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - parallax adjustment based on focusing distance
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We know LED framelines can be done. The M9 Titanium has it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The XPan has 2 magnifications: one for the 45mm lens and one
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > 90mm
> > > > > > > > lens. I have no idea how difficult it is to insert multiple
> mag
> > > > piece
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > needed. Anyone knows?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The cam position should also give good indication of the
> > focusing
> > > > > > > distance
> > > > > > > > too, along with the lens info, so #3 is technically feasible
> > too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chances are Leica nor anyone else would really spend the
> > resource
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > develop something like these, since a CMOS/Liveview is so
> much
> > > > > > "simpler,"
> > > > > > > > but would it be nice to have such a system?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> > > > > > > >
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// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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