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Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 02:02:20 -0400

I also like the Lartigue shot of the lady leaping down the stairs.
Jacques Henri Lartigue, 40, Rue de Cortambert
But my stair leaping days are over. Tomorrow I get an MRI of my left knee.
No reason it seemed like a good idea at the time.


http://blipoint.com/blog/2010/06/un-mundo-flotante-fotografias-de-jacques-he
nri-lartigue-1894-1986/jacques-henri-lartigue-mi-prima-bichonnade-40-rue-cor
tambert-paris-1905-fotografia-de-j-h-lartigue-copy-ministere-de/   or
http://tinyurl.com/7f5jnsd


- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: "Henning J. Wulff" <henningw at archiphoto.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:02:16 -0700
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re:  How about this one?
> 
> Maybe we could have a LUG event. You let us know when you find a good 
> puddle
> with jump-off point, and we could come and watch you try various speeds,
> heights, distances and other body position. After, while you dry your 
> feet, we
> could all work this thread over in a nice cafe!  :-)
> 
> Henning
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012-06-18, at 11:42 AM, philippe.amard wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps the guy in the photo DID want to get his feet wet, and kept 
>> trying to
>> fall off the board - hence the unbelievable repeats and multiple stolen
>> takes. With French people, you never know ...
>> Phil the frog, down the ladder now.
>> 
>> 
>> Le 18 juin 12 ? 20:10, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
>> 
>>> Its possible a "trick" to this shot is the fact that he had the camera
>>> braced in a fence poking through it. Had he just stood there and shot it 
>>> I
>>> can see it possibly lacking some of the magic it seems to have now.
>>> I've been doing that kind of thing often as I do a lot of low light 
>>> shooting
>>> looking for braces for my camera on the scene. I've been bracing my  
>>> camera
>>> on all kinds of things. Vertical poles, horizontal barricades and doing 
>>> long
>>> exposures with not short lenes and getting a different kind of result. 
>>> It's
>>> hard to put your figure on why it would add a touch of magic to many 
>>> shots
>>> but I do think it does. More so than walking into the scene with your 
>>> camera
>>> on your tripod.
>>> But being able to stop down on a night shot gives you something as few 
>>> are
>>> going to do night shots with anything other than hand held technique. 
>>> Which
>>> means pretty much they're shooting close to wide open.
>>> 
>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>> Mark Rabiner
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com>
>>>> Organization: Summa Ventures Ltd
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:48:56 +0100
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re:  How about this one?
>>>> 
>>>> Funnily enough, I recall having seen the alleged contact sheet at an
>>>> exhibition
>>>> somewhen, but I remember not having been deeply convinced by its
>>>> authenticity.
>>>> That may of course be because I have been brought up on the "legend" of 
>>>> The
>>>> Decisive Moment and that shot's place in it.
>>>> 
>>>> On the other hand why would anyone fake it?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> On 17/06/2012 08:51, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>> I was afraid of that.  I went flipping though the book when I was in
>>>>> Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we saw in NY
>>>>> though
>>>>> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. Early
>>>>> work.
>>>>> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I was not
>>>>> aware
>>>>> I was that delusional.  Possible though. The place I would have seen it
>>>>> would have been in the International Center of Photography five years 
>>>>> ago.
>>>>> Perhaps someone who was with me from the NYLUG can corroborate it.
>>>>> I certainly can not find it in numerous searches on Bing and Google
>>>>> contacts
>>>>> sheet mode searches.
>>>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946
>>>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007
>>>>> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook
>>>>> 
>>>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>>>> Mark Rabiner
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re:  How about this one?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the 
>>>>>> negative
>>>>>> shown is just that single frame, cut off, without sprocket holes on on
>>>>>> edge
>>>>>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, it's not
>>>>>> included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years ago in
>>>>>> SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>>>>>> rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the contact sheet in the book  "Celebrating the Negative"  by
>>>>>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over the 
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> puddle from the same spot at least 27 times.
>>>>>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet when 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few years 
>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946
>>>>>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare  better known as:
>>>>>>> The Puddle Jumper
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an example 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. This
>>>>>>> photo
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his.
>>>>>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet  that he is
>>>>>>> shooting
>>>>>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" myth;
>>>>>>> Waiting
>>>>>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence clicking
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> and going home.
>>>>>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle strip 
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> strip.
>>>>>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other magazine
>>>>>>> photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, now.. To be 
>>>>>>> heavily
>>>>>>> involved with what he was shooting.
>>>>>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're
>>>>>>> shooting.
>>>>>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds of
>>>>>>> leering
>>>>>>> men...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>>>>>> Mark Rabiner
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700
>>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same thing
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is a 
>>>>>>>> myth.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and I just love this video
>>>>>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB had the 
>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot a 
>>>>>>>>> series
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of the 
>>>>>>>>> images
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's correct.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> ===========================================================
>>>> Dr Peter Dzwig
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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