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Subject: [Leica] Profiling camera+lens / Re: Fuji Xpro vs Olympus OMD
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:29:13 +0530
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Henning,
Thanks. Looks like a great gizmo to get!
Cheers
Jayanand

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
archiphoto.com>wrote:

> X-rite has a number of products. I use the Colorchecker Passport and with
> it get consistent colour across all my digital cameras. It easily creates
> profiles from within LR, and stores them so they can be applied as presets
> or after the fact. The nicest thing is that for general shooting, you can
> create dual-illuminant profiles that I set up with one illuminant being
> daylight and the other a medium tungsten, say 2800 to 3000 degrees K. Below
> that colour isn't going to be correct anyway as there is too little blue
> content. Also, it's best to use two continuous spectra illuminants, rather
> than using CFL's or such. You can create specific profiles for specific
> light sources which are more accurate when needed. One of the best $100 you
> can spend!
>
>
>
> On 2012-06-16, at 1:10 PM, Richard Man wrote:
>
> > Henning, how do you profile your camera? I presume to use with the LR?
> >
> > I have a camera/back combo that I love to get a more accurate profile on.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
> > archiphoto.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I just got an OM-D. I've not had it long, but it looks good. In any
> case,
> >> I've handled but am not interested in the Fuji, because I have an M9 and
> >> focussing and shooting with the M9 is a lot easier and pleasanter for
> me.
> >> Of course, if I had a Fuji I'm sure I'd start to get used to it but I
> can't
> >> say I'm delighted with the viewfinder/focussing setup. Also, the range
> of
> >> lenses available is not really going to make me happy at this point. I
> know
> >> that many more are supposed to come, but.....
> >>
> >> I've had m43 for a while, and the OM-D definitely has the best image
> >> quality. Is it up to the Fuji? Not quite. Is the Fuji's quality up to
> FF,
> >> as they advertised? Not quite. It's still a matter of size, and FF
> trumps
> >> APS-C trumps m43. What is amazing about the OM-D is the dynamic range
> which
> >> is greater than that of almost all APS-C cameras, and the fact that the
> >> files are more forgiving than those of the Panasonics and earlier
> >> Olympuses. With the OM-D, I also have as backups the Panasonics.
> >>
> >> As for high ISO quality, the Fuji has about a stop on the OM-D, but
> then I
> >> have faster lenses for the OM-D than Fuji has available at present for
> the
> >> most and the OM-D has first class stabilization. For my purposes the
> OM-D
> >> wins in the low light area, and especially with the lenses I have vs.
> those
> >> I could get for the Fuji. Lens quality for the m43 format is at least
> up to
> >> the level of the Fuji's, which are certainly very good.
> >>
> >> As for colour accuracy, Olympus has been at the very pinnacle of colour
> >> accuracy for a long time, with their larger 4/3 cameras as well as their
> >> m43 offerings. In any case, I profile all my cameras so it becomes a
> >> non-issue. Processing for the web by various people is definitely an
> issue,
> >> and making comparisons on the web for colour is not going to actually
> get
> >> you anywhere. Do your own tests. Or profile everything; that's the only
> >> answer in the end.
> >>
> >> Bokeh is of course rather subjective, but that quality is in fact rather
> >> similar between the Fuji lenses and the majority of the m43 prime
> lenses I
> >> have (or tried). It seems a lot of companies are now paying attention to
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Resolution/detail differences can be seen on the web at 100% if things
> are
> >> processed optimally. The Fuji should have a slight advantage here,
> nearly
> >> to the extent of the difference of a 13x19 print compared with an 11x17
> >> print. I haven't made this comparison, nor am I likely to, but to this
> >> point some 13x19 OM-D prints I've seen look fine. I'm unlikely to print
> >> larger than 11x14 myself, so I would have a little room for cropping.
> If I
> >> really intend to print larger, I'll use a larger sensor or stitch
> >>
> >> Summarized, my opinion is this: If you don't have m43 or an M9 and would
> >> like something 'M-like', have a look at the Fuji and see if you can get
> >> along with it. It's no M9, both in a good and bad sense, just different
> >> enough so that it really should be judged on its own.
> >>
> >> If you have any m43 items or would like immediate access to a fairly
> well
> >> developed system, don't hesitate about the OM-D. The issues you raised
> >> aren't real issues; only with respect to resolution can Fuji be said to
> >> have an advantage, and it's not really that big a one. Handling,
> features,
> >> size, price, how it fits in with your other cameras and a lot of other
> >> things are a log bigger factors.
> >>
> >> Finally, get the one you like! and go our and shoot!
> >>
> >> Henning
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2012-06-16, at 4:35 AM, Douglas Nygren wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've been studying the picture posted on the web and the lug taken with
> >> the Fuji Xpro and comparing them with others taken with the new Olympus
> OMD.
> >>> The Fuji looks better. The colors look better, the bokeh looks better,
> >> the images are sharper.
> >>> What have you all noted, if you have compared the two?
> >>> Gru?--Doug
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> Henning Wulff
> >> henningw at archiphoto.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> >
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> Henning Wulff
> henningw at archiphoto.com
>
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In reply to: Message from richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man) ([Leica] Profiling camera+lens / Re: Fuji Xpro vs Olympus OMD)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] Profiling camera+lens / Re: Fuji Xpro vs Olympus OMD)