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Subject: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:33:11 +0200
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Guys, how about taking some pictures and checking if they look nice?

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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YNWA



On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Jim Nichols wrote:

> Aram,
> 
> I tried putting your table of data into Excel, and plotting it.  When I 
> saved it as a tiff file, the scales were stripped off.  However, with 
> shutter speed as the vertical scale, and f-stop as the horizontal scale, 
> you can see the variations.  There are definitely some spreads in the 
> data, but it is hard to say whether it is just hardware variations or some 
> sort of correction that is applied to the Nikon inputs.
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/image001+copy.tif.html
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at 
> hotmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA
> 
> 
>> That's what I mean, too, except the Nikon D7000 and D300 does not behave 
>> the same as Howard's D700.
>> 
>> Can anyone make sense of these data?
>> 
>> Lens 1 is Nikon 50/1.2
>> Lens 2 is Leica-R 50/2 Summicron
>> Lens 3a is Leica-r 35-70/4 shot at 35mm
>> Lens 3b is same lens shot at 50mm
>> Lens 3c is same lens shot at 70mm
>> 
>> Subject, an evenly lit patch of grass in my front lawn.  Went through the 
>> f-stops twice for each lens to check consistency.  Same reading each time.
>> 
>> 
>> f-stop        Lens 1          Lens 2          Lens 3a             Lens 3b 
>> Lens 3c
>> 2                 1600             1600
>> 2.8                 800             1000
>> 4                    400               400             640 500 640
>> 5.6                 200               100             160 200 320
>> 8                    100                 40                50 60 100
>> 11                    50                 25                30 30 50
>> 16                     25                15                20 20 20
>> 
>> As you can see, the Nikon behaves as it should be and meters correctly 
>> through the f-stop range, halving the shutter speed for each smaller 
>> f-stop.
>> The Leica lenses do not and progressively overexpose as you stop the lens 
>> down.  I am surprised that the zoom did not meter correctly wide open.  
>> In my field experience, wide open is not a problem, and the overexposure 
>> only starts to show up as you stop down.
>> 
>> I am also surprised that the overexposure is limited to about one stop. 
>> In my field experience I sometimes have to compensate about 2 stops.
>> 
>> That said, there is about a one stop overexposure in this test while my 
>> Canon, when I had it, would overexpose about 4 stops if you stopped down 
>> enough.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "H&E Cummer" <cummer at netvigator.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:04 AM
>> To: <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7
>> 
>>> 
>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:38 -0600
>>> From: Bill Nelsch <photobynelsch at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> 
>>> I have a stupid question:  When you say the D7000 is "linear" - what does
>>> that mean actually?  How does that affect the exposure?
>>> 
>>> Bill in Denver
>>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> By linear I mean that as you close down the lens aperture the shutter 
>>> speed drops by an equal amount in terms of light transmission
>>> If you are at f5.6 and 1/500 and then close down to f8.0 the shutter 
>>> speed adjusts to 1/250 - to f11.0 the shutter speed drops to 1/125
>>> keeping the light transmission the same. That's what happens on the 
>>> Nikon. On the Canon without Canon lenses that "talk" to the body
>>> as you close down a Leica R lens mounted with an adapter that isn't 
>>> chipped the shutter speeds drift away from the above response and you 
>>> get more and more exposure variation.
>>> Hope this clarifies my point for you.
>>> Cheers
>>> Howard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Replies: Reply from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA)
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