Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]There are some bugs with version 4 profiles with certain software. Sometimes problems similar to this can be solved by using v2 profiles instead of v4 profiles. I have run into this with the ColorMunki and FCPx. Leo Wesson www.leowesson.com On Jun 9, 2012, at 14:56, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote: > Not sure what that would do for him, as he is viewing the files on the > same monitor. I find it odd that if he saves the file in a different > directory the problem does not exist. That is odd. > > Aram > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Leowesson" <leowesson at gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:16 AM > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] LR 4.1 question > >> Do you calibrate your monitor? >> >> Leo Wesson >> www.leowesson.com >> >> On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:44, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I've given up for now. I also downloaded PS6 and ACR 7.1, but >>> the same problem occurs. Everything is fine until I save the tif or psd >>> file in the same directory with the raw file. The differences between >>> the (unadjusted in PS) saved image and the raw image range from subtle >>> to enormous. I guess it is not that big a problem - I can adjust in >>> LR, edit in PS and then just save the tif file in a different directory. >>> It is only when I save the PS image in the same directory with the raw >>> file that either LR or PS is doing something to the image. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> On 6/8/2012 8:10 PM, Robert Baron wrote: >>>> When you click 'edit in PS' from LR you are given a choice of whether to >>>> send it to PS with or without the adjustments you have made in LR. If >>>> you >>>> haven't made any, the file opened in PS should open as a RAW file w/o >>>> any >>>> adjustments. All things equal it should look the same, so obviously a >>>> change is being made to it somewhere along the line. >>>> >>>> Then when you return it to LR are you returning the original file or a >>>> file >>>> with the changes you made in PS? >>>> >>>> I know that consistency is reputed to be the hobgoblin of small minds >>>> but >>>> there is something disrupting the consistency of your workflow. Your >>>> assignment is to figure out what it is. >>>> >>>> Maybe you should get into preferences / file handling and preferences >>>> /external editing and see if there are any clues there. >>>> >>>> --Bob >>>> >>>> ==On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Geoff, >>>>> >>>>> Of course it is difficult to follow - it was written by a C.P.A. Try >>>>> reading some of our financial statements. I tried the same thing >>>>> using LR >>>>> 3.6 and PS 4 and PS 5.1 - same thing. If I open (edit in) PS and save >>>>> the >>>>> tif, viewing the two in LR (raw file and tif) the tif is much lighter, >>>>> actually blown out. If I choose "develop" in LR for the tif, the >>>>> brightness setting is much higher than the CR2 I chose to "edit in PS". >>>>> As I suspected from the beginning, this is obviously a conspiracy to >>>>> require an upgrade to CS6. Thanks much for your comments. >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/8/2012 5:13 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ken, that's difficult to follow! I might be able to shed some light on >>>>>> some >>>>>> of it at least. >>>>>> PS 5.1 uses ACR6.7 which does not support all of the functions of >>>>>> LR4.1. >>>>>> It >>>>>> does not understand some possible raw adjustments and ignores them. >>>>>> Photoshop CS6 uses the same raw engine as LR4.1. The current version >>>>>> is >>>>>> Adobe Camera Raw 7.1xxx >>>>>> Possibly there may be some profile changes for your Canon Raw files >>>>>> too? >>>>>> Canon of course is a major client target and updates for Canon would >>>>>> be a >>>>>> high priority for Adobe. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that Mr Knoll is a >>>>>> Canon >>>>>> user ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> The working colour space in the raw converter is not the same thing >>>>>> as a >>>>>> colour space assigned to converted files (such as TIFFs). I think it's >>>>>> linear anyway, that is needs a big curve applied to become something >>>>>> we >>>>>> easily relate to. But if you export a version as a TIFF you can >>>>>> choose to >>>>>> make that Pro Photo as you did to preserve the maximum information. >>>>>> Keep >>>>>> in >>>>>> mind that you can't see all of the information in there on your >>>>>> monitor >>>>>> nor >>>>>> in a print. >>>>>> For most monitors sRGB is more likely with a few high end ones very >>>>>> close >>>>>> to all of Adobe RGB which is very largely covered by good inkjet >>>>>> printers >>>>>> too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, 9 June 2012, Ken Carney wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seen a number of references to this problem in the Adobe forum, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> have not seen an answer to it. Hopefully the wisdom of the LUG will >>>>>>> bail >>>>>>> me out once more. I can import a raw file (CR2) into LR 4.1, and >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> select edit in PS 5.1. If I save the PS file (as a tif), then in LR >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> CR2 and the saved tif files look quite different. Sometimes the tif >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be lighter, sometimes darker. If I make any adjustments in PS, then >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> saved tif can look very different from the CR2 file. The odd thing >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> when I look at the file as opened in PS (edit in PS) without any >>>>>>> adjustments, it looks the same as the CR2 file in LR. So something >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> happening when I save the PS file (if I just open the saved tif in >>>>>>> PS, >>>>>>> sure >>>>>>> enough it looks just like the saved tif file as seen in LR, i.e., >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> from the CR2 file). I have ACR 6.7 which is supposed to be >>>>>>> compatible >>>>>>> with LR 4.1 and both programs use ProPhoto as the color space. >>>>>>> Sorry for >>>>>>> the long question, but does anyone know what I am missing? 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