Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Looks great amazing iso 100 inside a car; even if the door is open. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:20:49 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... > > Mark - > > Just for fun, I shot a roll of Kodak ProImage 100 (Mexican Gold 100-6) > about a > month ago (I rarely, if ever, shoot 35mm anything). What was amazing to me > was that with 100-speed film and the 35/1.4 Summilux ASPH (as well as a > reasonably steady hand), you could get shots that you would be shooting > today > at ISO 800 with the typical zoom on a digital, like this (shot in the > light of > a parking garage): > > http://dantestella.smugmug.com/Other/Test-Pictures/22469857_JSZ5jL#!i=17965258 > 44&k=x9qC2q4 > > I should have remembered that I used to do things like this all the time. > > And aside from the FLE version (which I don't understand, since I don't > experience focus shift to any noticeable degree), you're right, this is > arguably the best lens they ever did. > > Dante > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > >> Yes I agree Dante you were not putting forth the idea that the lens was >> made >> soft on the edges so it would be used on the M9 either which was my main >> point. >> I am partial to the 35 Summicron ASPH Elmarit as I own and have used it >> extensively wondering as I wonder really how anything could be better. If >> spending another grand and getting another stop gives you a better result >> than fine I do believe it but would also love to see it. Me I don't go to >> fast glass for the ultimate in quality I go to slow glass. From what I >> know >> about basic lens design that's how I think. Adding extra speed is a bundle >> of worms. >> >> What's frustrating to me is the Summarits are really not all that cheap. >> When something cost into the thousands to me I don't think cheap. And >> when I >> start spending that kind of money I don't want something which was made >> slightly more palatable for sometimes not wallet but bank account. Its a >> major financial decision. And for that I want cutting edge from Leica. >> Asph >> APO if it starts with an A I like it. >> >> - - from my iRabs. >> Mark Rabiner >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >> >> >>> From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 21:26:52 -0400 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> My only point is that as with the Summarits, some lenses are made to a >>> price/size point, and Leica's monster (and monstrously expensive) lenses >>> seem >>> to be better - even in Leica literature - than the baby lenses. This was >>> actually one I shopped when I bought my M8. I should have also made it >>> clear >>> that I was not adopting the view that it was a bad lens. In fact, by >>> Leica's >>> numbers, it's quite good. I ultimately decided to stick with my 35/1.4 >>> ASPH, >>> though. >>> >>> Dante >>> >>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>> >>>> Yep that's Leica's business model! Designing cheap glass. >>>> >>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>> Mark Rabiner >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:56:39 -0400 >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Cc: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>>> >>>>> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is >>>>> designed >>>>> to >>>>> be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no? >>>>> >>>>> Dante >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the >>>>>> Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open >>>>>> on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here: >>>>>> http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. The >>>>>> 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat >>>>>> field. H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here >>>>>> prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the >>>>>> corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9 >>>>>> which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less >>>>>> apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. A nice >>>>>> display of the compromises optical design includes. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some >>>>>> ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the >>>>>> floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I >>>>>> prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even >>>>>> if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After >>>>>> Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up >>>>>> and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 >>>>>> ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!): >>>>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.htm>> >> >> >> l >>>>>> Nikkor 28: >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Marty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at >>>>>> mcmaster.co.nz> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Where are you coming from Mark? >>>>>>> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality?? >>>>>>> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x >>>>>>> 36mm??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a >>>>>>> 28mm >>>>>>> lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> focal length than 28mm is for FF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making >>>>>>> things >>>>>>> up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> john >>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its >>>>>>> standards >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH >>>>>>> ideal >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> sold new for just over four grand $. >>>>>>> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has >>>>>>> stated >>>>>>> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film >>>>>>> M. >>>>>>> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than >>>>>>> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm >>>>>>> image >>>>>>> crop circle.... >>>>>>> The 28 Summicron is a gem and at the top of my list for my next >>>>>>> Leica >>>>>>> lens. >>>>>>> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think >>>>>>> we're >>>>>>> going >>>>>>> to find documented elsewise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - - from my iRabs. >>>>>>> Mark Rabiner >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 >>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the >>>>>>>> M9..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> john >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information