Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I bought my 28 Elmarit Asph in 2006 right after it came out, and have had great results with it. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:46:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... You'll probably also love the results of your 28mm f/2.8 ELMARIT-M ASPH on my M6TTL as you did with your M8 as when it came out in October 2006 that was predominantly what it was being used on. The M8 had only come out the month before and the world especially the Leica world was still a film world. Leica was repeatedly asked if it would come out with a 1.33 cropped lens and it pointed said something to the effect that it would never let down its film users. That's a no. The idea that Leica would come out with a lens that although full frame was strong only in the center so best used for this new M8 simply goes against this and everything Leica has ever stood for since it started shipping in 1925. And that's it Leica, coming out with a quality product. Leica does not cut corners. I predict you can shoot the 28mm f/2.8 ELMARIT-M ASPH wide open blow them up to 16x20 in the darkroom or digital inkjet and get nothing less then the quality you've always gotten from modern Leica glass. - from the center right out to the corners. No \where in the Leica literature or on the box or the lens does it say "for digital" or "for the M8". Its film using constituency would have gone through the roof. Herr Kaufmann would have been found in the morning slumped over in his chair with a short note of apology. Its a 2000 + $ Leica product being sold now. I'd use it with confidence on any Leica M camera ever made. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:57:02 -0500 (CDT) > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... > > Hmm, I had not noticed any fall off in the corners when I used the 28 > Elmarit > Asph on my M6TTL. I guess I will have to run another roll through it with > the > 28 on it and see what I get. Although I use it all the time on my M8 and > love > the results. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Deveney" > <benedenia at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: > Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:03:36 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: > [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to > be designed for the M8 not the Summicron - its performance drops in the > corners when used wide open on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart > linked from > here: http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. > The 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat field. > H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here prolifically, didn't > like the flat field because it made heads in the corners of the frame look > like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9 which had greater barrel > distortion and a less flat field, but less apparent distortion of things like > heads in the corners. A nice display of the compromises optical design > includes. The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in > some ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the floating > element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I prefer a 28 to a 35, > but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even if it is the Nikkor 28mm > f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After Leica revises the 50 Summicron > (now the oldest lens in the M line up and the only Summicron without > aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 ASPH Summicrons are probably next, > because they are the oldest. Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that > magenta!): http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579 > .jpg.html Nikkor 28: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html Marty > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:> > Where are you coming from Mark? > Where has it been said that they are > lowering quality?? > Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller > than 24mm x 36mm??? > > I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm > Summicron is..... > > All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this > list, is that a 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and > that > is a more used focal length than 28mm is for FF. > > Please read (and > understand) what is being said rather than making things up. > > john > > ________________________________________ > > > It strike me as > phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its standards on > edge quality to > make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal for > the M8 making it > less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now being > sold new for just > over four grand $. > I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop > camera and has stated > over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully > usable on a film M. > I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle > for less than > excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a > 43.3mm image > crop circle.... > The 28 Summicron is ?a gem and at the top of > my list for my next Leica lens. > This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth > which I don't think we're going > to find documented elsewise. > > > - - from > my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: John > McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group > <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 >> To: Leica > Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash > with M9....... >> >> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of > the M9..... >> >> john >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> I have seen more > 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 years. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information _______________________________________________ Leica Users > Group. 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