Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10

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Subject: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:29:37 +0930
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I never said it was shitty.  I have one.  I like it.

Marty


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Should I list all my Leica lenses and find out from the eggspurts (who
> don't own them) just how shitty they are?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at 
> ameritech.net>wrote:
>
>> The 28mm Elmarit ASPH is challenged in the corners because it is designed
>> to be a cheap (orig $1,600) compact lens, no?
>>
>> Dante
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2012, at 19:03, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the
>> > Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open
>> > on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here:
>> > http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. ?The
>> > 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat
>> > field. ?H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here
>> > prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the
>> > corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9
>> > which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less
>> > apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. ?A nice
>> > display of the compromises optical design includes.
>> >
>> > The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some
>> > ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the
>> > floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. ?On the M8 I
>> > prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even
>> > if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. ?After
>> > Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up
>> > and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90
>> > ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest.
>> >
>> > Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!):
>> >
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html
>> > Nikkor 28:
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html
>> >
>> > Marty
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>> >> Where are you coming from Mark?
>> >> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality??
>> >> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x
>> 36mm???
>> >>
>> >> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is.....
>> >>
>> >> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a
>> 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more
>> used focal length than 28mm is for FF.
>> >>
>> >> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making
>> things up.
>> >>
>> >> john
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its
>> standards on
>> >> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal
>> for
>> >> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now 
>> >> being
>> >> sold new for just over four grand $.
>> >> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has
>> stated
>> >> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M.
>> >> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than
>> >> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm
>> image
>> >> crop circle....
>> >> The 28 Summicron is ?a gem and at the top of my list for my next Leica
>> lens.
>> >> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think we're
>> going
>> >> to find documented elsewise.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - - from my iRabs.
>> >> Mark Rabiner
>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
>> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200
>> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
>> >>>
>> >>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9.....
>> >>>
>> >>> john
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>
>> >>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2
>> years.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Sonny
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Replies: Reply from sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter) ([Leica] The world is awash with M9.......)
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