Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]hmm, I never noticed a problem with my 28 elmarit asph on the M9, but admittedly, I use it less on the M9 than my 35's than I did on my M8. I find it a great lens. Of course, I am the cropping king, no matter the lens. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote: > It's not fall off (that's usually used to describe vignetting) - it's > a decrease in sharpness. If you use 400 speed film you won't notice > it much because the drop is in the 20 and 40 lp/mm range, which films > like that don't resolve that well anyway. when assessing performance > with these kinds of films the 5 and 10 lp/mm performance is most > informative. Again, it's part of the reason for differences in > perceived performance between a very high resolution digital sensor > and film. > > I should also point out that I really like the 28/2.8 asph. > Discussions of these kinds are relative (as in this lens compared to > that lens) not absolute (this lens is good, that one is bad). Lots of > my favourite photos were taken using lenses that are a lot worse than > the ones I have now. > > Marty > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:27 AM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: > > Hmm, I had not noticed any fall off in the corners when I used the 28 > Elmarit Asph on my M6TTL. I guess I will have to run another roll through > it with the 28 on it and see what I get. Although I use it all the time on > my M8 and love the results. > > > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marty Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com> > > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:03:36 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... > > > > The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the > > Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open > > on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here: > > http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html. The > > 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat > > field. H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here > > prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the > > corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9 > > which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less > > apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners. A nice > > display of the compromises optical design includes. > > > > The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some > > ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the > > floating element, but it's still pretty formidable. On the M8 I > > prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even > > if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens. After > > Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up > > and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90 > > ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest. > > > > Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!): > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html > > Nikkor 28: > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html > > > > Marty > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > wrote: > >> Where are you coming from Mark? > >> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality?? > >> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x > 36mm??? > >> > >> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is..... > >> > >> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a > 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more > used focal length than 28mm is for FF. > >> > >> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making > things up. > >> > >> john > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its > standards on > >> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal > for > >> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now being > >> sold new for just over four grand $. > >> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has > stated > >> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M. > >> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than > >> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm > image > >> crop circle.... > >> The 28 Summicron is a gem and at the top of my list for my next Leica > lens. > >> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think we're > going > >> to find documented elsewise. > >> > >> > >> - - from my iRabs. > >> Mark Rabiner > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > >> > >> > >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> > >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200 > >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9....... > >>> > >>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9..... > >>> > >>> john > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> > >>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2 > years. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Regards, Sonny http://sonc.com/look/ http://sonc-hegr.tumblr.com/ Natchitoches, Louisiana USA