Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The idea that, oh we should protest non-violently and cause changes is just bs that the people who rule this country came up to keep their power. I am not a history expert but I do not recall any revolution in anywhere in history where violence was not at least partially involved. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Chris Crawford < chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > People won't take the jobs because they pay starvation wages. I don't > blame them, I won't work for that little either. When people willingly > accept shit jobs, they cause immense damage to the entire economy of the > nation by encouraging employers to pay less and less. Its a myth anyway > that fruit goes unpicked for lack of white workers. They get poor Mexicans > to do it, and as a Hispano-American (part of my family came from Spain), I > find it offensive that my fellow Hispanics are ruthlessly exploited so > that middle class Americans can pay a few dollars less for fruit. > > People with your attitude need to study history. Remember what happened in > Russia in 1917 or in China in 1949, or Cuba in 1959? The poor got tired of > being spit on, and decided to cut some throats. I never thought I'd see > the United States become the kind of place where that could happen, but > with our ruling class now determined to reduce the population to third > world poverty, and plenty of people like you cheering it on, I suspect > that in my lifetime I'm going to see that kind of violence in my country, > and I'm not happy about it. YOU are the problem, and I agree with Richard, > it sickens me to see this attitude. I fear for the future my son will > inherit. The present is bad enough for many people. > > -- > Chris Crawford (in my last semester as a grad student in History at > Indiana University) > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > > On 4/9/12 1:12 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote: > > >I give another example. > > > >I read that a lot of ripe fruits are left unpicked because no one (white > >in > >particular) in those places is willing to take the job. Rather, they sit > >at > >home and complain why the gov doesn't extend their jobless benefits. > > > > > >On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Richard Man > ><richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote: > > > >> Speaking like a damned privileged class. This sickens me. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kay Yang <liangjiyang at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > There are all kinds of jobs that have been eliminated in the past. So > >> while > >> > it sucks that most photographers are no longer worth as much as they > >>used > >> > to be, we should just move on and accept this change. There are all > >>kinds > >> > of jobs out there that are unfilled because there are no matching > >> > candidates. So I don't understand why people don't just learn some new > >> > skills and grab those jobs. > >> > > >> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj > >><jayanand at gmail.com > >> > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > Whatever may be the reason and justification, I agree 100% with Kay > >> Yang > >> > > from an economic and investment point of view. There are much less > >> > > expensive cameras that a full fledged working photographer can use > >>to > >> get > >> > > results that are equally acceptable in the marketplace. > >> > > Cheers > >> > > Jayanand > >> > > Cheers > >> > > Jayanand > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Chris Crawford < > >> > > chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Phil bought the camera in better times; like most Americans, this > >> > economy > >> > > > has made making a living hard in recent years. I've had to sell > >>gear > >> to > >> > > > pay bills too. He is a working professional photographer, not a > >>rich > >> > man > >> > > > playing with Leicas because they're expensive toys. I think it > >>sucks > >> he > >> > > > has to sell them and it sucks that real photographers really > >>cannot > >> > > afford > >> > > > this stuff anymore. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > Chris Crawford > >> > > > Fine Art Photography > >> > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > >> > > > 260-437-8990 > >> > > > > >> > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > >> > > > > >> > > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > >> > > > > >> > > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > >> > > > Become a fan on Facebook > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 4/9/12 12:27 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > >If you need that extra few thousands to survive, you probably > >> > shouldn't > >> > > be > >> > > > >shooting with a Leica M in the first place. > >> > > > > > >> > > > >On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Phil Forrest > >> > > > ><photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> I actually might. > >> > > > >> The M8 is a fantastic camera. I still have a bunch of UV/IR > >> > filters. I > >> > > > >> have an M9 and could definitely use the extra few thousand to > >>live > >> > off > >> > > > >> of. > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> Phil Forrest > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:07:32 -0400 > >> > > > >> Vick Ko <vick.ko at sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Factors: > >> > > > >> > - M9 is still $5K to $6, and will start going down its > >> devaluation > >> > > > >> > curve > >> > > > >> > - M8 is likely at the bottom of its devaluation curve, with > >>mint > >> > > > >> > units at $2.5K > >> > > > >> > - M8 is still a darned fine camera, and I still have a whack > >>of > >> > > UV/IR > >> > > > >> > filters > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Has anyone gone from M9 back to an M8? What were your > >>reasons? > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Vick > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > >> > Leica Users Group. > >> > > > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> > > information > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> -- > >> > > > >> philforrest.wordpress.com > >> > > > >> gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > > > >> Leica Users Group. > >> > > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> > information > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >> > > > >Leica Users Group. > >> > > > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Leica Users Group. > >> > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>information > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Leica Users Group. > >> > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >> > > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Leica Users Group. > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Leica Users Group. > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >