Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I don't think people give up their chosen career as a photographer or anything else because the economy at some particular time like now happens to be better supporting another job skill or profession. One waits it out. - - from my iRabs. Mark Rabiner http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:24:37 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8? > > People won't take the jobs because they pay starvation wages. I don't > blame them, I won't work for that little either. When people willingly > accept shit jobs, they cause immense damage to the entire economy of the > nation by encouraging employers to pay less and less. Its a myth anyway > that fruit goes unpicked for lack of white workers. They get poor Mexicans > to do it, and as a Hispano-American (part of my family came from Spain), I > find it offensive that my fellow Hispanics are ruthlessly exploited so > that middle class Americans can pay a few dollars less for fruit. > > People with your attitude need to study history. Remember what happened in > Russia in 1917 or in China in 1949, or Cuba in 1959? The poor got tired of > being spit on, and decided to cut some throats. I never thought I'd see > the United States become the kind of place where that could happen, but > with our ruling class now determined to reduce the population to third > world poverty, and plenty of people like you cheering it on, I suspect > that in my lifetime I'm going to see that kind of violence in my country, > and I'm not happy about it. YOU are the problem, and I agree with Richard, > it sickens me to see this attitude. I fear for the future my son will > inherit. The present is bad enough for many people. > > -- > Chris Crawford (in my last semester as a grad student in History at > Indiana University) > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > > > On 4/9/12 1:12 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote: > >> I give another example. >> >> I read that a lot of ripe fruits are left unpicked because no one (white >> in >> particular) in those places is willing to take the job. Rather, they sit >> at >> home and complain why the gov doesn't extend their jobless benefits. >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Richard Man >> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote: >> >>> Speaking like a damned privileged class. This sickens me. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kay Yang <liangjiyang at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There are all kinds of jobs that have been eliminated in the past. So >>> while >>>> it sucks that most photographers are no longer worth as much as they >>> used >>>> to be, we should just move on and accept this change. There are all >>> kinds >>>> of jobs out there that are unfilled because there are no matching >>>> candidates. So I don't understand why people don't just learn some new >>>> skills and grab those jobs. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj >>> <jayanand at gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Whatever may be the reason and justification, I agree 100% with Kay >>> Yang >>>>> from an economic and investment point of view. There are much less >>>>> expensive cameras that a full fledged working photographer can use >>> to >>> get >>>>> results that are equally acceptable in the marketplace. >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Jayanand >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Jayanand >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Chris Crawford < >>>>> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Phil bought the camera in better times; like most Americans, this >>>> economy >>>>>> has made making a living hard in recent years. I've had to sell >>> gear >>> to >>>>>> pay bills too. He is a working professional photographer, not a >>> rich >>>> man >>>>>> playing with Leicas because they're expensive toys. I think it >>> sucks >>> he >>>>>> has to sell them and it sucks that real photographers really >>> cannot >>>>> afford >>>>>> this stuff anymore. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Chris Crawford >>>>>> Fine Art Photography >>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>>>> 260-437-8990 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>>>>> >>>>>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/9/12 12:27 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you need that extra few thousands to survive, you probably >>>> shouldn't >>>>> be >>>>>>> shooting with a Leica M in the first place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Phil Forrest >>>>>>> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I actually might. >>>>>>>> The M8 is a fantastic camera. I still have a bunch of UV/IR >>>> filters. I >>>>>>>> have an M9 and could definitely use the extra few thousand to >>> live >>>> off >>>>>>>> of. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Phil Forrest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:07:32 -0400 >>>>>>>> Vick Ko <vick.ko at sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Factors: >>>>>>>>> - M9 is still $5K to $6, and will start going down its >>> devaluation >>>>>>>>> curve >>>>>>>>> - M8 is likely at the bottom of its devaluation curve, with >>> mint >>>>>>>>> units at $2.5K >>>>>>>>> - M8 is still a darned fine camera, and I still have a whack >>> of >>>>> UV/IR >>>>>>>>> filters >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone gone from M9 back to an M8? What were your >>> reasons? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> philforrest.wordpress.com >>>>>>>> gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information