Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/22
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Alice is a school inspector here and went on a professional trip to Finland this month to discover and marvel on how effective their education sytem is - extremely limited drop out rate, happy students and teachers, and a definite asset for or stake on the country's future. We may have to learn from them, whatever the taxes. Philippe Le 23 mars 12 ? 00:02, Ken Carney a ?crit : > Not too sure about the free part. According to my BNA country > portfolio on Finland, the marginal tax rate (national, local, > municipal and church taxes) hits about 50% on income between ?38,000 > and 66,000 and is over 55% on income in excess of ?66,000. Then > there is a VAT. I'm not going to complain on April 15 this year! > > Ken > > On 3/22/2012 2:07 AM, Raimo K wrote: >> Well, university education is free in Finland (like all other >> education as well). >> The Americans may call it socialism (but it isn't), we call it >> equal opportunities. >> In the future we may have to charge tuition fees from students >> outside the EU, though. >> All the best! >> Raimo K >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Henning Wulff >> To: Leica Users Group >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim >> >> >> It's nearly as bad here in Canada. Tuition fees rise well beyond >> any concept of inflation. Meanwhile our education minister goes off >> to China to promote Canada as a place to come and get educated (for >> a price). >> >> Meanwhile, in the public schools.... >> We've just legislation from our provincial government denying the >> teachers any pay increases for the next while and at the same time >> retroactively taking away a number of hard won limits on class >> sizes, help for teachers with special needs students and other >> advances achieved in the last ten years. The legislation >> specifically states this 10 year retroactive roll back. >> >> Our premier meanwhile sends her son off to private school. She can >> afford it, as the pay raises for all the legislature has been >> substantially above the rate of inflation, and about as drastic as >> the increase in university fees. >> >> >> On 2012-03-21, at 2:05 PM, scleroplex wrote: >> >>> exactly!! >>> >>> everyone is talking about the rise in healthcare costs. >>> no one is comparing the rate of rise of higher education costs. >>> it is 6 times that of health care! >>> >>> all the universities are raking it in and putting up flashy >>> buildings with >>> gay abandon. >>> and no one is even looking at abuse of HEFA loans, which is as big a >>> scandal as mortgage loans if not bigger. >>> >>> university boards are packed with real estate developers who get >>> HEFA loans >>> from the government and spend the money on construction projects. >>> >>> a good percentage of the loans are also invested in the capital >>> markets by >>> university endowment funds and multiplied. >>> essentially rolling cheap tax money. >>> when there is a profit, the university keeps it. >>> when there is a loss, it is a public write-off. >>> >>> nowadays whenever i see students and their parents touring the >>> universities >>> here in boston, >>> i only think, here are the next lot of mugs! >>> these are the people who are deliberately left in huge debt, >>> which they then concentrate on paying off the next 30 years, >>> with no time for the policing of democracy at the local or >>> national level. >>> >>> bharani >>> >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:07:49 +0530 >>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAH1UNJ1=+AvJ7=jCJXTvdUnRM7o4DyhFqgib_OiKAHsMVxGP4g at mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> It is still considered a part of the parent's duty to fully >>> educate their >>> offspring here in India (I am talking lower middle class and above >>> here). >>> Of course, there is some self preservation involved, as it is still >>> considered a part of the offspring's duty to look after the >>> parents in >>> their old age. My parents in law have always stayed with me, and >>> my parents >>> with my brother - and they have done so for the past 20-25 years. >>> The old >>> joint family systems have not noticeably broken down as yet, >>> though in >>> urban India it is starting to happen. >>> >>> As far as the USA is concerned, it is my considered view that the >>> only >>> bubble that has not collapsed yet is in education - both in terms of >>> affordability, and the sheer weight of student loan debt that has >>> no chance >>> of being repaid. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> Henning Wulff >> henningw at archiphoto.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information