Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/14

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Subject: [Leica] B&W Leica? Higher ISO
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:08:46 -0400
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In my many years photographing inside dark adobe houses by firelight, I
used mostly Tri-X and TMax 400 pushed to 800.  When TMax 3200 came out, I
carried some of that for the very darkest of the dark:

http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/121090460

http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/121090465

I can't imagine needing the super ISOs on some of the newest digital
cameras - like 24,000.  What is that for?  The black cat in the coal mine?
 But then maybe those other cameras don't have a lens that draws in the
light, like the Noctilux ;-)   Who needs 24,000 when you have 1.0!!

Tina


I've been saying this for a while. The world is not getting darker,
> right? Didn't most of us learn on "slow" films between 100 and 400 ISO?
> I still see no reason for anything over 3200. I'm not a coal miner
> shooting photos of black cats while at work nor are most of us on the
> LUG. I'm sure one person out there could make regular use of it but if
> digital weren't around we'd still be pushing film up to 3200 and 6400
> to get our grainy yet great photos we love.
>
> To freeze motion at night? Again, why? Life isn't static, so why should
> our photography be? I always hate these tack sharp photos that folks
> show of helicopter blades perfectly frozen and straight as if the
> aircraft is going to fall from the sky. Some things just look unnatural
> when frozen above 1/1000 second. But that's my opinion.
>
> I love the fact that I can get a nice clean 800ISO with my M9 as long
> as I do the work to properly expose the frame. walking around center
> city Philly at night shooting a 35 Lux at f/2 and 1/30 second is
> perfect. All i have to do is focus and imagine Dr. Ted yelling at me to
> shoot, not to fiddle with the camera and all its trappings.
>
> I think this high ISO craze is BS but again, that's my opinion. I also
> KNOW it is spoiling a lot of photo students out there who don't know
> how to expose a frame without the camera telling them every single
> thing during and after (chimping) the shot. I'm waiting for this wave
> of mediocrity to sweep into the professional world and then the
> employment opportunities to open up to folks who learned how to do this
> on K64 with a spotmatic that had a broken light meter.
>
> Ok, mumble, mumble, metaphorical lawn, mumble mumble. I'll get off my
> soapbox.
>
> Phil Forrest
>
>
> > > If I could 2/3 more "speed" by using a B&W sensor I could achieve
> > > what ISO 306.000 or so?
> > >
> > > Or a clean IS 18,600 or so
> > >
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > > This scene is illuminated by the moonlight reflected from my cat's
> > > eye? At what point doe it get to be overkill?
>
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-- 
Tina Manley, ASMP
www.tinamanley.com


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